Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

[Montalban]

You're spot on of course and it's actually really simple. For Arabic-speaking Christians too (and not just for Muslims) Allah means God. The word Allah is used for God in the Scripture, in liturgical and other prayers etc. Allah is an Arabic word for God, so it's really a linguistic question and not a question of theology or for the comparative science or philosophy of religion.

I've been over this mistake people make so many times

Here's my analogy.

a) Tonight on ESPN they have "Live College Football"

b) Earlier I watched football - Australia -v- New Zealand

c) They also had football - Manchester United -v- Everton.




However a), b) and c) are different games.

a) American Football (or Girdiron)

b) Rugby League

c) Association Football (or Soccer)

Just because we use the same term to describe SIMILAR things does not mean that they are the same. There can be similarities. Such as saying football is a game played on a rectangular field, two sides, goals, ball. That is true of a), b) and c)


You have to look at the meaning behind the word

 

[steve_bakr]

You're spot on of course and it's actually really simple. For Arabic-speaking Christians too (and not just for Muslims) Allah means God. The word Allah is used for God in the Scripture, in liturgical and other prayers etc. Allah is an Arabic word for God, so it's really a linguistic question and not a question of theology or for the comparative science or philosophy of religion.

That aside it's also my opinion that Muslims fear the same God as Christians do. The Muslim God however is not incarnated at all like Christians know God to be in Jesus our saviour. There is an important theological difference there which may or may not be reflected in the lives of individual, nominal Christians and Muslims, so even on this level we cannot expect to be in a better position as Christians. Jesus is the Judge and humans know very little. Our knowledge of how others stand with regards to God is practically nil. But the Gospel tells about the difference that enables us to have a personal relationship with God regardless of who we are, where we were born, what religious label other people know us to have etc.

Erth,

I concur with your message and thank you for putting it into words.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[durangodawood]

Question:
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Is there any way to know for sure if Allah and God are really the same god?
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[Montalban]

Erth,

I concur with your message and thank you for putting it into words.

Excepting its flawed reasoning.

 

[Montalban]

Question:
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Is there any way to know for sure if Allah and God are really the same god?
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I know for certain that they're not. As to people claiming that they're the same, if your question is only for them, I'll leave them to show it

 

[durangodawood]

I know for certain that they're not. As to people claiming that they're the same, if your question is only for them, I'll leave them to show it

No, my question is to anyone who has a notion of the answer.
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Is there any way to know for sure if Allah and God are really the same god?
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I'm really baffled as to how you would tell.
I mean, could I worship your god in ways that seem alien to you, with different rituals, different scripture, etc. And if you yell at me "youre doing it wrong", well, that pretty much indicates that I'm worshipping the right god in the wrong way.
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[Montalban]

No, my question is to anyone who has a notion of the answer.
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Is there any way to know for sure if Allah and God are really the same god?
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I'm really baffled as to how you would tell.
I mean, could I worship your god in ways that seem alien to you, with different rituals, different scripture, etc. And if you yell at me "youre doing it wrong", well, that pretty much indicates that I'm worshipping the right god in the wrong way.
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What is set down for Orthodox is set down.

 

[chris4243]

The identity of the god of Abraham is far from certain. The Canaanite's top God, EL is named at one point and Abraham's grandson, Jacob builds an alter dedicated to the House of EL, Bethel. But that god in the Abrahamic story doesn't act the way the Canaanites conceived of their God Most High who presided over the Canaanite pantheon of gods and goddesses with wisdom and compassion. The god of Abraham in historical reality acts far more like the Canaanites' next door neighbor Ammonite's war god, Moloch, well known for demanding burnt offerings of firstborn children as proof of loyalty to Moloch. This Moloch connection is further reinforced by the Hebrew language's spelling of Melech, "King", and Moloch, both the same Hebrew word. Melchizedek, meaning "King of Salem" supposedly but his name also means High Priest of "Moloch" making Melchizedek also suspected of Moloch war god ties as he honors Abraham's war victory with a eucharist type celebration.

"Allah" is related to "EL" which through the Jewish makeover of their tribal god Yahweh into EL in the Sinai Covenant makes Allah congruent with Yahweh and indeed Allah, like Yahweh, is a war god commanding Muslims to war for him. EL was never a war god. And once you discover EL's character before the Jewish makeover you find Jesus' "Abba", his "Daddy" who is so different from the Fraud of Israel.

Interesting. Could you recommend some further reading on this subject?

 

[durangodawood]

What is set down for Orthodox is set down.

What does that mean?
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And how does it help me tell if someones god is the real God?
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[steve_bakr]

No, my question is to anyone who has a notion of the answer.
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Is there any way to know for sure if Allah and God are really the same god?
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I'm really baffled as to how you would tell.
I mean, could I worship your god in ways that seem alien to you, with different rituals, different scripture, etc. And if you yell at me "youre doing it wrong", well, that pretty much indicates that I'm worshipping the right god in the wrong way.
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We can only observe that both Islam and Christianity reference the God of Abraham, the Quran and the Bible both reference that the God of Abraham is also the God of the Israelites, and that they both contain many of the same prophets. It makes sense to conclude that they both reference the same God, even though there are theological differences that exist. That is what is concluded by Vatican II of the Catholic Church.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[Montalban]

We can only observe that both Islam and Christianity reference the God of Abraham, the Quran and the Bible both reference that the God of Abraham is also the God of the Israelites, and that they both contain many of the same prophets. It makes sense to conclude that they both reference the same God, even though there are theological differences that exist. That is what is concluded by Vatican II of the Catholic Church.

I have to remind you yet again that this is undercut by the fact that a guy in China also claimed to worship the same God, and my example of worshiping a rock

Neither of which you've addressed

 

[steve_bakr]

I have to remind you yet again that this is undercut by the fact that a guy in China also claimed to worship the same God, and my example of worshiping a rock

Neither of which you've addressed

I have lost track of the link about the Chinaman, but I think the analogy of worshipping the rock is an ad absurdum argument which is too far afield of the original context of whether the Allah in the Quran is the same as the God of the Bible.

Also, I think the analogy of the football in the UK and football in the USA is simplistic ad absurdum. Not wanting to acknowledge the relationship between the Quran and Bible does not justify choosing random analogies to serve your agenda of dismissal out of hand.

The subject at hand is more involved and more deserving of study. I have entire books that deal with the matter.

Similarly, searching through the Quran in order to pick and choose verses that serve your purpose is not a valid way to make a study of the subject either. That is known as polemics and is not a reputable pursuit.

Neither is it valid to use ex-Muslim converts to Christianity as "scholars" without that they are recognized Islamic scholars possessing the necessary credentials and objectivity for such a study.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[durangodawood]

We can only observe that both Islam and Christianity reference the God of Abraham, the Quran and the Bible both reference that the God of Abraham is also the God of the Israelites, and that they both contain many of the same prophets. It makes sense to conclude that they both reference the same God, even though there are theological differences that exist. That is what is concluded by Vatican II of the Catholic Church.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

But if God and Allah are the same, how could He permit such a divergence of faiths in his name? OR is this simply God allowing us to do things wrong - free will and all?
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[gideon army]

YHVH & Allah isn't the same. The Jews believe in a God head that is 1 but not 'alone' hence :

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

However Muslim or rather 'prophet muhammad' received the quran fm a angel ;-)

Contrast above with:-

Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

Wow, as far as we all can see- how many millions of Muslim are cursed with all the cursings of Deutronomy 28?

Lucifer was the angel of worship which is singing, therefore am sure all will agree that lyrics are rhythmic? Then contrast again with the Quran ;-)

Lastly, the Bible (Torah & NT) when combined constitutes approx 70% in prophecies, of which roughly 60-70% of those prophecies have been fulfilled.

Compare & contrast BIBLE to the Quran, for one need not be rocket scientist to know that result ;-)

Lastly, in Deu- the LORD specifically states that if any man claims that he is from the Lord, whatever he says & have not come to pass then know that he isn't fm GOD. I know the Muslim serves the god of this world & age (those that understand scriptures will know what I mean)

 

[steve_bakr]

But if God and Allah are the same, how could He permit such a divergence of faiths in his name? OR is this simply God allowing us to do things wrong - free will and all?
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In a word: diversity. God's creation is diverse, cultures are diverse, man's understanding of God is diverse.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

 

[gideon army]

In a word: diversity. God's creation is diverse, cultures are diverse, man's understanding of God is diverse.

What you've quoted is the norm for the world.

However, 'diversity' isn't from The LORD GOD. To confuse ppl & be successful, one needs to have 'diversity' right There's only 1 way & that's Jesus Himself for Jesus is THE Only DOOR & what HE has said- many of which have come to pass then pls compare & contrast with:-

Deu 18:22 "when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Hence forth, the above is a crystal clear authority that quran isn't from the LORD GOD of Israel.

The muslims worships & serves the principalities & god of this world & age

The Jews are the apple of DADDY GOD eyes, they are the true physical seed of abraham (Christians are the spiritual seed of abraham. Jews are sand on the seashore & christians are like the stars in heaven ) & Jesus came as a Jew hence worshippers of the god of this age in many guise have thru the ages hated the Jews with an unnatural vengence that is simply supernatural (Red: NOT of this world).

From the womb of a women came the dragon slayer & demon head crusher, hence women has been subjugated & in bondage where the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ are rejected. Why? Simply because women are also hated by the devil with extreme prejudice (Read SATAN himself) because they (women) remind him of their defeat at golgotha where Jesus was crucified & stripping the devil of his power

 

[Montalban]

In a word: diversity. God's creation is diverse, cultures are diverse, man's understanding of God is diverse.

That's like saying God created sin because man sins

 

[Montalban]

What you've quoted is the norm for the world.

However, 'diversity' isn't from The LORD GOD.

That's my thoughts exactly. It suggest a moral relativism too which totally undermine's Jesus own words regarding him being 'the Way'

 

[durangodawood]

OK.
So lets say the Quran is manmade.
Lets say that Jesus IS the way.
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Why not Islam: right God, wrong way.
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[gideon army]

OK.
So lets say the Quran is manmade.
Lets say that Jesus IS the way.
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Why not Islam: right God, wrong way.
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All 'Religion' are abt self! The devil wants ppl to be preoccupied with self for there's only Gories instead of Glory when one behold The Lord ;-)

Religion comes fm the the 'to bind'! Hence Jesus Himself was peeved with religious Pharisees jerks & all of Jesus's harsh rebukes were RESERVED especially for those 'religious pharisees'

Christianity is NOT a religion, it's a relationship between the Surpreme God & men personally. It's all about Him & how righteous He is to punish men's sins upon Himself. It's about the justice of God paying for the righteousness of God when Jesus hung on that Cross. Christianity is all about Jesus & never the believer. It is all that He has done & never what we can do