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Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

  • Yes they are

  • No, They aren't

  • They are similar, but not the same


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Even if "Allah" doesn't mean 'The God', to everyone whom used, that title was used for the CREATOR. So basically the title for the Creator is what Mohammad was stating was the only true God.

Don't have to over complicate it.
 
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Even if "Allah" doesn't mean 'The God', to everyone whom used, that title was used for the CREATOR. So basically the title for the Creator is what Mohammad was stating was the only true God.

Don't have to over complicate it.

You and I both know John Tiberius Cassius Smith from Hoboken, NJ. We both claimed to have visited him last Saturday at his home. You say that JTCS is 5'7" and 250 pounds, 42 and balding, divorced twice with 4 kids. I say that JTCS is 6'3" and 185 pounds, 28 with long hair. He's never been married and has no kids. Clearly, we don't know the same JTCS, yet they both have the same name.
 
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When I said "Allah" is Arabic for the one God, I did not say "for Muslims", but the term is Arabic, referring to the language, it really means "the God" meaning the One.

Christians, or observing Jews, calling the deity Allah does not contradict Exodus 3:15 which says "This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations", especially if Arabic is their language This is because "Allah" is a term with the meaning "the God", not a name, just as in English the term "God" is not a name. The revealed name from him of Exodus 3:15 was the name "Yahweh", forever, to all generations.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7505849/#post55879079

It really means "One g-d" ? .Where did you get this?.The Yemeni Faith (From which meccans derived their faith) Had No concept of One jealous G-od. The argument Foucssing on One jealous G-od is faulty because before muhammad the Yemenis and the Arabs didn't entertain this concept.

Universal? lol. Allah was not known outside of Yemen and it's immediate surroundings before 4th century.

The Yemenis had a religion worshipping Allah and other Dieties(They had plenty of temples) and Judaism existed as a separate religion in the same region with g-d of Abraham as their diety.

Allah didn't hate Other Deities .The G-d of Abraham hates other Deities-Elohim .

So, Allah is NOT Yahweh(The One who spoke to Abraham).


Even if "Allah" doesn't mean 'The God', to everyone whom used, that title was used for the CREATOR. So basically the title for the Creator is what Mohammad was stating was the only true God.
Don't have to over complicate it.

As I said, polytheistic belief would have no bearing on the argument I made. AskTheFamily was right. Muslims and other Arabic speaking people of today, including Christians, understand the term "Allah" to be what it in fact means: "the God", and all have the understanding of such not giving permission to observe other gods, so this would not mean Allah is not the same. But what Muslims believe will make their Allah not the same.
 
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Allah is false god!
God in the Bible is true God.
Jesus is Yaweh!

Amen
Al-lah is a created being - who first rose against God


It is clear that some as such just find this thread, and respond to its title, and do not read anything that was posted just before their own post, just making a proclamation which pays no attention to any reasoning made nor having its own reasoning.

It can be seen, for just one thing, in what was preceding, "Allah" is just a word for the God, in the Arabic language. It is specifically Muslim understanding and usage of it, that cannot be the one true God, who has made himself revealed in the Bible.
 
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God is not boxed into a word or a sound. Those who know the true God know Him - whatever sound they choose to make when they call upon Him. Others can make the same sound, and it isn't God whom they are invoking in their hearts at all.
 
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That depends on weather the measure is of concept, lineage, or attribute.

First of all, as mentioned, Allah is Arabic for God and Bibles written in Arabic would likely use Allah for God or YHWH. So Allah is just God in another tongue. It's like choosing to call God YHWH, Adonai, Hashem, Shaddai or simply God.

So the question is somewhat redundant, now as for a very generalized comparison of Gods attributes by Most Christians and Muslims....

Comparison by concept: An, all-knowing, all-powerful enity known as the One, or "highest power"... The Holly of Hollies... Both Muslims and Christians ascribe these traits to their God as do many other cultures. The Wiccan term for example is Dryghten. (and this word was used in some old-English Bibles) The Egyptians call it the Kneph among other terms. Taoists see it as the Tao (though would dare not define it) and so on. You can take two stances on this. You can either say all those other guys have the wrong deity/concept or you can say that the underlying message- Unity, applies and that all of these terms are different cultural understandings of the same thing. Most divine attributes cannot exist without a condition of unity.

Lineage: This one is easy, both groups serve the God of Abraham.... they trace their deity to the same source/deity. It is the same God

By Attribute: We already went over conceptual attributes. The question presented here is - Is the character of Allah in alignment with the character of YHWH? That is... is the Islamic depiction of Allah symetrical with that of YHWH? If they act differently that indicates different morals/personality traits. This is a sleep slope though when you figure in interpretation and the views at the time the documents were written. Certain cultural influences aside I believe they can be said to be the same even here.

The short technical answer is yes.... they are the same. However just as the Greeks and Romans may have had slight differences about Zues/Jupiter and Christianity itself differences by denomination you are going to find differences between Muslim and Christian notions.

At the end of the day, you're going to have to ask yourself what you think and what makes sense to you. That may not seem very comforting but allot of this depends on interpretation and perception and in the end you have make a decision based on what you know and what your intuition is telling you. There might be a reason it can't simply be figured out at the moment until one understands the question on a multi-dimensional level. This is what people of my faith call one of the mysteries.

But I leave you with this. The name that can be named is not the true name. Nor does the true name invalidate any name. For names are formed out of relationship and God is transcendent, One.

God is not two faced, nor does He represent a different self to different people. People on the other hand perceive God differently, some just not rightly because of fellow men's and their ideologies are wrong for personal gain.

Having different parts of yourself is not two-faced. That is such a derogatory term. Our society looks at things like MPD as a disease and it is, but only when it is truly a "disorder". Many of has have multiple sides of our selves yet go our whole life not realizing it. People thing that if that's the case that you are fractured or torn and not whole. Its rather the opposite though, as you cant be whole while denying parts of yourself.

Of course he does, that's the nature of relationship.... You arent the same person to your mom as you are to your co-worker or your wife/husband/ect.
God doesn't stop being God but often a different aspect of God is projected. This is what Jewish mysticism teaches. the perception helps give God an identity in which one forms a relationship with him/her/it. It's a two way molding. Also, remember, if God showed his/her full glory it could not be comprehended and in various texts is said to be so overwhelming that the physical body couldn't withstand it.... Either one of those statements implies that God must operate on our level of communication in order to commune with us.

Jesus said that he had not come to show us who he was but who we are, and how to live. Unless you are of the Unitarian sort or otherwise don't see Jesus as God... that right there is an example of God choosing a different form than he did to Moses or Enoch.

And again, in Jewish mysticism the different emanations and forms (yes forms) of God take on different visualizations.

Lastly, to be fair - even if we assume only one vision is correct and all the others are rooted in falsehood... it would be impossible to objectively say which is true and which isn't. Likewise subjectivity tends to favor them all.
 
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In the Quran, it is made clear that the God being referred to as Allah is the God of Abraham. The Quran also identifies the God called Allah as the God of the Israelites. This is simply a matter of fact, Religion 101.

This is too much for some mentalities to handle--an inconvenient truth, such that they rush to make arguments that there are two different Gods of Abraham, ad absurdum.

The fact remains that the God Islam refers to as Allah is a reference to the God of Abraham.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)
 
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steve_bakr said:
In the Quran, it is made clear that the God being referred to as Allah is the God of Abraham. The Quran also identifies the God called Allah as the God of the Israelites. This is simply a matter of fact, Religion 101.

This is too much for some mentalities to handle--an inconvenient truth, such that they rush to make arguments that there are two different Gods of Abraham, ad absurdum.

The fact remains that the God Islam refers to as Allah is a reference to the God of Abraham.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)
 
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In the Quran, it is made clear that the God being referred to as Allah is the God of Abraham. The Quran also identifies the God called Allah as the God of the Israelites.
That doesn't matter what they claim. They are wrong.

Hong Xiuquan for instance claimed to be Jesus' younger brother. That doesn't mean that "The God of Christianity is the same as the god of the Taiping"! Other religions also make claims about God. God is god of all, but not whom they are referring to as God.

What they do is dishonour God by attributing to God a great many things that God is not a part of. Their god is the father of lies.
 
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Montalban said:
steve_bakr, let's put this another way. I take a rock and call it the 'god of Abraham' and I worship it. Am I worshiping God? I claim I am.

Hi Montalban,

It is one way of looking at the situation. When I talk on this subject, I have refined my description somewhat to allow for that difference of opinion to take place--ie., "The Quran refers to the God of Abraham, whom it calls Allah" rather than "Allah IS the God of Abraham."

It should be said, though, that the reference of Allah to the God of Abraham is a thorough orientation because of the many stories of the Old Testament prophets in the Quran.

The most oft-repeated stories in the Quran is that of God using Moses to liberate the Israelites from Pharoah. Other stories involve Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Joseph, and others. This makes a strong case for the position that Allah is the God of Abraham.

It makes it more difficult to argue the case of two different Gods, but I suppose one could. It is a question of either that or simply the fact that the Quran has a slightly different perspective on the God of Abraham.

Analogies tend to be overused, but let me compare our situation to two witnesses of the same event. The witnesses are going to emphasize different things and therefore give two different descriptions. But we do not call them two different events on that account.

I understand why some Christians need to argue for two different Gods. Yet, for the purpose of ecumenism and missionary contextualization, it is more practical to say it is one and the same God, and this is the position taken at Vatican II.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)
 
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Hi Montalban,

It is one way of looking at the situation. When I talk on this subject, I have refined my description somewhat to allow for that difference of opinion to take place--ie., "The Quran refers to the God of Abraham, whom it calls Allah" rather than "Allah IS the God of Abraham."

It should be said, though, that the reference of Allah to the God of Abraham is a thorough orientation because of the many stories of the Old Testament prophets in the Quran.
Moslems call Ishmael a prophet and offer no prophecy from him. However, as noted, there was a guy in the 1800s who claimed to be Jesus' younger brother.

He used the Bible.


The most oft-repeated stories in the Quran is that of God using Moses to liberate the Israelites from Pharoah. Other stories involve Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Joseph, and others. This makes a strong case for the position that Allah is the God of Abraham.

It makes it more difficult to argue the case of two different Gods, but I suppose one could. It is a question of either that or simply the fact that the Quran has a slightly different perspective on the God of Abraham.

Analogies tend to be overused, but let me compare our situation to two witnesses of the same event. The witnesses are going to emphasize different things and therefore give two different descriptions. But we do not call them two different events on that account.

I understand why some Christians need to argue for two different Gods. Yet, for the purpose of ecumenism and missionary contextualization, it is more practical to say it is one and the same God, and this is the position taken at Vatican II.
I'm not arguing for two different Gods.

There's only one God.

God, whom I worship is God

The being that Moslems call god is not God, but a created being who first rebelled against God.
 
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Montalban said:
Moslems call Ishmael a prophet and offer no prophecy from him. However, as noted, there was a guy in the 1800s who claimed to be Jesus' younger brother.

He used the Bible.

I'm not arguing for two different Gods.

There's only one God.

God, whom I worship is God

The being that Moslems call god is not God, but a created being who first rebelled against God.

I've heard you say that, but the claim is not verifiable within the pages of the Quran. Quite the opposite. The Quran refers to Allah as the Creator. The created being that disobeyed Allah's command is Shaytan (Satan).

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)
 
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I've heard you say that, but the claim is not verifiable within the pages of the Quran. Quite the opposite. The Quran refers to Allah as the Creator. The created being that disobeyed Allah's command is Shaytan (Satan).
Given al-Lah is a self-confessed deceiver then I don't believe everything in the Koran :D And it still doesn't address the example I gave, which is a better example of your argument given he used the bible, not another 'holy' book

In case you've forgotten already Hong Xiuquan. I've studied his 'heavenly kingdom' mainly because I was interested in him an the Tai-pings interaction with my favourite person in history (whom I last mentioned in relation to the Mahdi) - Charles Gordon

Al-lah's not a god of love.

God asked us to love one another. Moslems just love their brother moslems.

However Jesus is God, and Moslems deny this, and in fact, using the Koran as evidence, claim we attribute 'partners' to God - so they themselves deny that we worship the same God.
 
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Montalban said:
Given al-Lah is a self-confessed deceiver then I don't believe everything in the Koran :D And it still doesn't address the example I gave, which is a better example of your argument given he used the bible, not another 'holy' book

In case you've forgotten already Hong Xiuquan. I've studied his 'heavenly kingdom'.

Islam's god is like the god of the Greco-Roman world who doesn't have intimate relations with his creation and is rather arbitrary in his dealings with humanity - that is, people just must obey him regardless

Al-lah's not a god of love.

God asked us to love one another. Moslems just love their brother moslems.

However Jesus is God, and Moslems deny this, and in fact, using the Koran as evidence, claim we attribute 'partners' to God - so they themselves deny that we worship the same God.

Again, I take issue with the statement that the Quran denies that we worship the same God. Quite the opposite. It does, however, deny the Trinity and the Divinity of Jesus. I don't have my Quran handy, but I remember quoting to you the passage where it says our God is the same.

Allah does seem more transcendent and remote at times, but he is also called the Most Compassionate and the Most Merciful (Rahman irRaheem), for the sake of fairness,which you know I try to be to a fault.

BTW, I don't believe everything in the Quran either!

I'm sorry that I can't pick up links very well on my phone and I'll have to read them when I'm at the computer.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)
 
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Again, I take issue with the statement that the Quran denies that we worship the same God. Quite the opposite. It does, however, deny the Trinity and the Divinity of Jesus. I don't have my Quran handy, but I remember quoting to you the passage where it says our God is the same.
Islam says we take partners besides 'god'. It's why they don't take non-Moslems as close friends.

IslamQ&A calls practicing Christianity in the home an evil

Islam allows marriage to a Christian or Jewish woman, i.e., it permits a man to marry such a woman whilst she continues to follow her religion. The husband does not have the right to force her to become Muslim, or to stop her worshipping in her own way. But he does have the right to forbid her to go out of the house, even if she is going to go out to go to church, because she is commanded to obey him. He also has the right to forbid her to commit evil openly in the house, such as setting up statues or ringing bells.
Islam Question and Answer - Muslim forbidding his non-Muslim wife to celebrate her religious festivals

All I see is your interpretation.

They say a Moslem praying for a non-Moslem is wrong...
Praying for him to be forgiven and so on. This is forbidden according to scholarly consensus.
Islam Question and Answer - Can he pray for his Christian friend to be healed?
Allah does seem more transcendent and remote at times, but he is also called the Most Compassionate and the Most Merciful (Rahman irRaheem), for the sake of fairness,which you know I try to be to a fault.

BTW, I don't believe everything in the Quran either!
I accept that, but it's when he wants to be.

God is love.

Al-lah is arbitrary.


I'm sorry that I can't pick up links very well on my phone and I'll have to read them when I'm at the computer.
Well the basics of it was already covered by me, a man who claimed to be Jesus' younger brother. You didn't need a link because I also gave you a hypothetical of someone worshiping a stone and calling it the same god
 
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Allah: means god in arabic.

You're spot on of course and it's actually really simple. For Arabic-speaking Christians too (and not just for Muslims) Allah means God. The word Allah is used for God in the Scripture, in liturgical and other prayers etc. Allah is an Arabic word for God, so it's really a linguistic question and not a question of theology or for the comparative science or philosophy of religion.

That aside it's also my opinion that Muslims fear the same God as Christians do. The Muslim God however is not incarnated at all like Christians know God to be in Jesus our saviour. There is an important theological difference there which may or may not be reflected in the lives of individual, nominal Christians and Muslims, so even on this level we cannot expect to be in a better position as Christians. Jesus is the Judge and humans know very little. Our knowledge of how others stand with regards to God is practically nil. But the Gospel tells about the difference that enables us to have a personal relationship with God regardless of who we are, where we were born, what religious label other people know us to have etc.
 
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