Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Biblical Creation

[SkyWriting]

Dark matter is not a fantasy. It is real. It is observed. ...

Dark matter's existence is inferred from gravitational effects ....The most widely accepted explanation for these phenomena is that dark matter exists and that it is most likely composed of heavy particles that interact only through the weak force and gravity;

however, alternate explanations have been proposed, and there is not yet sufficient experimental evidence to determine which is correct.

Many experiments to detect proposed dark matter particles through non-gravitational means are underway.
Dark matter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[chris4243]

As far as I'm concerned, dark matter and dark energy could simply be the way we're gathering data on flaws in Einstein's theory of General Relativity. I know some people have been looking at colliding galaxies to see if they can get the dark matter separated from regular matter (which would show it exists).

 

[Tiberius]

And yet again, I have to ask: Who is being deceived?

When God gives us in Writing what He did, when He did it, how He did it, where He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long to do it, and who the eyewitness were, I would not call that 'deception'.

In fact, if it wasn't for Genesis 1, we would be deceived by science.

Given that not everyone has access to the Bible, but everyone does have access to reality, I think the answer is obvious.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

But God is Spirit and answers prayers.

But not in any testable way, right? He heals the sick... but not so much as to be statistically significant. He sends hurricanes to the immoral... but only if they live in hurricane-prone areas during hurricane season. He lets sports teams win the big game... but doesn't imbue us with medical or scientific knowledge.

 

[SkyWriting]

But not in any testable way, right? He heals the sick... but not so much as to be statistically significant. He sends hurricanes to the immoral... but only if they live in hurricane-prone areas during hurricane season. He lets sports teams win the big game... but doesn't imbue us with medical or scientific knowledge.

God doesn't control our fallen world. It is separate from Him. But he can influence the world through people, according to my experiences and others. Testing does not require faith. I'm sure you know God is all about faith, not actions. If you could "test" God, then you'd have people trying to "buy" their way into God's good graces. Now that wouldn't be right.

 

[SkyWriting]

Given that not everyone has access to the Bible, but everyone does have access to reality, I think the answer is obvious.

God just knew that would happen.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

God doesn't control our fallen world.

A pity.

It is separate from Him. But he can influence the world through people, according to my experiences and others.

How, precisely, does he do that?

Testing does not require faith. I'm sure you know God is all about faith, not actions. If you could "test" God, then you'd have people trying to "buy" their way into God's good graces. Now that wouldn't be right.

Regardless, if God influences the world, then he can be tested. At the most basic level, if he has an influence, then there should be a statistically significant increase or decrease in some variable - if he preferentially aids Catholics, then Catholic surgeons should be statistically better.

 

[Jazer]

Given that not everyone has access to the Bible, but everyone does have access to reality, I think the answer is obvious.

At least 97% if not more has a bible according to the Bible Society. One of the signs of when Jesus will return is that 100% will have access to a Bible and they will know the truth. The more people receive the more God will expect in return. You are here and receive a lot, so God will require a lot from you in return.

Luke 12:48(NKJV)


48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

 

[USincognito]

At least 97% if not more has a bible according to the Bible Society.

That's awesome!


Is there an impartial evaluator that has concluded similarly?

 

[Doveaman]

The former is an extensively verified theory, the underpinning model of which is Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, so I disagree that there is anything presupposed about it. The latter follows from the former.

I forgot that in science “verified” doesn’t mean “prove”. It simply means “plausible”.

You would verify it the same way you verify anything else: make a prediction, and go out and test it. If dark matter exists, we should see its gravitational effects in distant observations of galaxies and stars. We do.

Since dark matter is nothing more than mathemagic, then all it can predict is a non sequitur.

 

[Doveaman]

Those experiments found dark matter, not God. You know this too. Why are you pretending otherwise?

All you have are effects, no dark matter.

Since the cause of those effects has not been scientifically detected, then that cause can also be God-Energy.

“He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.” (Col 1:17).

 

[USincognito]

...then all it can predict is a non sequitur.

About as accurately as people reading your Crevo posts can predict the same.

 

[Doveaman]

But not in any testable way, right?

Not according to your myopic method, but otherwise.

He heals the sick... but not so much as to be statistically significant.

Not according to your myopic method, but otherwise.

He sends hurricanes to the immoral... but only if they live in hurricane-prone areas during hurricane season.

Hurricanes are not the only whip He sends. He also sends global floods.

He lets sports teams win the big game... but doesn't imbue us with medical or scientific knowledge.

He imbued us with a brain.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I forgot that in science “verified” doesn’t mean “prove”. It simply means “plausible”.

Indeed. Scientific terminology is not always the same as colloquial vernacular.

Since dark matter is nothing more than mathemagic, then all it can predict is a non sequitur.

And yet, real results are pouring in. My prediction came true, yours did not.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Not according to your myopic method, but otherwise.

No. If it is not statistically significant, then it didn't happen. If it happened, then it's statistically significant. So which is it? Does God heal the sick (in which case we can observe a statistically significant piece of data), or does God not show up in the data (in which case he very rarely heals, if at all)?

Hurricanes are not the only whip He sends. He also sends global floods.

The former being indistinguishable from regular hurricanes, and the latter being utterly without evidence.

He imbued us with a brain.

Yes, praise be to the God who gives us a brain but not a vaccine.

 

[Doveaman]

Given that not everyone has access to the Bible, but everyone does have access to reality, I think the answer is obvious.

The atheistic definition of reality is different from the theistic definition of reality.

Here's the theistic definition of reality:

To a theist, nature is not reality.

God is reality.

Nature was created from reality (God-essence) and is therefore a minute part of reality.

“For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities — His eternal power and divine nature — have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.” (Rom 1:20).

Science explains that minute part of reality called nature, but the science cannot explain the true essence of reality called God.

This is why the science must be supplemented with theology in order for us to get a more thorough understanding of reality.

“By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible...For by Him all things were created...and in Him all things hold together.” (Heb 11:3, Col 1:16).

All things were created out of God-essence and is held together in God because God is reality.

“In the beginning God ...” (Gen 1:1).

 

[Loudmouth]

All you have are effects, no dark matter.

They are the same effects that luminous matter has. I assume that you will reject the existence of luminous matter for the same reasons, correct?

Since the cause of those effects has not been scientifically detected, . . .

They have been:

August 21, 2006 - Dark Matter Observed: Most Direct Measurement of Dark Matter Allows Study of its Nature - Press Release

The cause of light bending is dark matter as this study demonstrates.

 

[Loudmouth]

Dark matter's existence is inferred from gravitational effects ....

It is also inferred from its interaction with light and luminous matter.

Many experiments to detect proposed dark matter particles through non-gravitational means are underway.
Dark matter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many of these experiments involve the actions of a deity?

 

[Loudmouth]

The atheistic definition of reality is different from the theistic definition of reality.

The definition of reality is everything that is real. The theistic definition is whatever they make up. Obviously, the two are quite different.

 

[chris4243]

At least 97% if not more has a bible according to the Bible Society. One of the signs of when Jesus will return is that 100% will have access to a Bible and they will know the truth.

Do the Jehovah Witness, Mormon, and Catholic bibles all count for this? Also, does knowing the truth mean any specific denomination or does it simply mean they know the story of Jesus regardless of whether they believe it or not?