When Will Christ Return?

[Achilles6129]

Bumping this thread to see if anyone has any more thoughts or votes on when Jesus Christ will return. What I find incredibly interesting about this topic is the following verse:

"44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." Mt. 24:44

The hour that you think not.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

When Will Christ Return?

I would say, when everyone stops talking about it

 

[rdcast]

What about an option for "does it really matter"?

The Magi knew it was important to calculate the First Coming of Jesus Christ...These were individuals who were not prophets, but merely expert Eschatologists of their day. They were not deterred from their mission to highlight that blessed event of the New King's arrival. They knew in what watch they should be prepared and as then, we now need to be prepared as Jesus Christ has commanded. The most inspired in the field of Eschatology today, might well be considered as modern day Magi.

The name of this portion of the forum is "ESCHATOLOGY", opposed to "WHY ESCHATOLOGY?"...To cast dispersions against Eschatology here, one might as well go to a rock concert and request the rock band play easy listening genre all night. For those who wish to point to scripture assuring us that no one will know exactly when Jesus Christ will return, as their reason for ignoring the bold signs of that watch in which Jesus Christ has proclaimed for His Second Coming, have no reason to participate in this section of this forum. Antagonists are just that, antagonists. There are no amateur or expert Eschatologists who should care how many there are who would discredit studying the work of the Magi.

In the Spirit of Love,
Robert

 

[Achilles6129]

The Magi knew it was important to calculate the First Coming of Jesus Christ...These were individuals who were not prophets, but merely expert Eschatologists of their day. They were not deterred from their mission to highlight that blessed event of the New King's arrival. They knew in what watch they should be prepared and as then, we now need to be prepared as Jesus Christ has commanded. The most inspired in the field of Eschatology today, might well be considered as modern day Magi.

The name of this portion of the forum is "ESCHATOLOGY", opposed to "WHY ESCHATOLOGY?"...To cast dispersions against Eschatology here, one might as well go to a rock concert and request the rock band play easy listening genre all night. For those who wish to point to scripture assuring us that no one will know exactly when Jesus Christ will return, as their reason for ignoring the bold signs of that watch in which Jesus Christ has proclaimed for His Second Coming, have no reason to participate in this section of this forum. Antagonists are just that, antagonists. There are no amateur or expert Eschatologists who should care how many there are who would discredit studying the work of the Magi.

In the Spirit of Love,
Robert

I don't think that LLOJ's comment was meant to discredit eschatology. I think he was just saying that you should be obeying the gospel whether or not Jesus Christ is returning soon.

However, that being said, I do agree with the rest of your post. Eschatology is an extremely important subject, especially since Jesus Christ upbraided the Jews for not knowing the signs of his first coming. How much more important then is his second coming?

"2He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" Mt. 16:2-3

 

[Achilles6129]

Well, it looks like those who agree with me that the return of Christ will be sometime between 2030-2040 are down to a measly 2.73%.

In other words, we're in good shape

Way to go, fellas!

 

[rdcast]

My apologies for the incongruity

Well, it looks like those who agree with me that the return of Christ will be sometime between 2030-2040 are down to a measly 2.73%.

In other words, we're in good shape

Way to go, fellas!

Concerning Eschatology, much of it rests upon huge ifs. For this reason, I like to state the disclaimer that "every post Resurrection generation of Jesus Christ followers, have narcissisticly predicted His Second Coming to occur during their life time, with no exception to this generation of Jesus Christ followers. Yes, I'm pointing at the most destructive sin, that being vanity(vanity/sin being interchangeable).

With that out of the way(as if it won't draw comment), I take the view that the 6 days of Creation represents the created impact of God's broken will toward man, of which, started at the instant of the Garden expulsion. This was the beginning of man's mortality, to be lived under a curse on the earth. Each of the 6, one thousand year days would contain special events, up to and including the end of the 4th day and start of the 5th. It is at the end of that 4th day of Creation, or actually the beginning of the 5th, that the meaning of the ages was defined with a transition from the Law into Grace. Jesus Christ was judged under the Law to death, and after three days of silence, rose victorious, as the One with power to forgive as Savior to the world. So I make this crucial distinction: The end of the 4th, one thousand year day, might well not have been marked by the birth of Jesus Christ, for He always existed, but at the end of the transition from the Law into the Grace of our Savior, that being the instant of Jesus Christ's Resurrection. The importance of this distinction is that the Gregorian calendar marks the start of the final 2, one thousand year days, as having started 33 years earlier(a most pleasant way to mystify Eschatology). Further erasing any ability to determine, with exactitude, the time of the Second Coming, it is widely accepted that Jesus Christ's birth occurred some 2 to 8 years earlier than the Gregorian calendar would establish. It is because of this, that I use the term "in or around the year". Factoring in this broadened allowance for error, I tend to accept a mean between the 2 to 8 years to arrive at 5 years to subtract from the 33 years, as a reasonable adjustment. If I explained that correctly and plainly enough, my view might be understood, that our current Gregorian year of 2011, is actually 1983, with the year 2000, 17 years from now, "in or around the year" 2028. Any disbelief of this, IF correct, will be quickly dissolved when, 7 years before that, the Great Tribulation begins, "in or around the Gregorian year" 2021, 2 days of Creation after the first 4.

On the 7th day, we know God rested, and so starts the one thousand year Millennial day of rest, when Jesus Christ is served, the curse on the earth has ended and there is no more death and evil is chained. All is restful.

By Resurrection, Jesus Christ, now The Savior, bridged God's broken will toward man forever. Amen!

 

[rdcast]

Eschatology is an extremely important subject, especially since Jesus Christ upbraided the Jews for not knowing the signs of his first coming. How much more important then is his second coming?

"2He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" Mt. 16:2-3

You nailed it, thank you...

 

[Peacedove]

It is important that we are ready for Christ's return but we are told very clearly that no-one knows the day or the hour. If we put as much time and effort into ensuring our lives are in order and we are ready and as many people as possible are saved in time for His return instead of trying to predict when it will be we would perhaps be doing a lot more to further His kingdom.

 

[rdcast]

It is important that we are ready for Christ's return but we are told very clearly that no-one knows the day or the hour. If we put as much time and effort into ensuring our lives are in order and we are ready and as many people as possible are saved in time for His return instead of trying to predict when it will be we would perhaps be doing a lot more to further His kingdom.

Excuse me, no one here is talking about the day or hour of Jesus Christ's return and the state of our souls is a wholly different matter that dedicated Eschatologists are very mindful of. Sorry to have to inform you, but you're definitely off topic

 

[B1inHim]

It is important that we are ready for Christ's return but we are told very clearly that no-one knows the day or the hour. If we put as much time and effort into ensuring our lives are in order and we are ready and as many people as possible are saved in time for His return instead of trying to predict when it will be we would perhaps be doing a lot more to further His kingdom.

You are correct, the amount of time that we spend on this speculation of the literal return IMHO should be miniscule to amount of time that we spend lifting up our Lord before this dyeing world.

The signs of the times are so ripe RIGHT NOW that I personally can taste the harpazo in my heart at every waking moment!!!

Ten seconds, ten minutes, ten days, weeks, months, years, decades...the decisive question is not how long it will take but rather what we are doing during the wait.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 24:
46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.






There is a difference

Love,

Brother Jerry
Remember...Just going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a car.

 

[justjoined]

Christ's return will begin with the rapture of the church and an enemy invasion of Israel in the Spring of 2012, 2013 or 2014, after the winter rains and before the firstfruits offering of wheat/barley bread on Pentecost.

The four moon tetrad on feast days is in 2014-2015.

Israel got their land back in the Spring of 1948, just one year before the rare tetrad moons.
Israel got their city back in the Spring of 1967, just during the start of the rare tetrad moons.
Israel will get their temple/relationship to God (144,000 sealed) back in the Spring of 2012, 2013 or 2014, just before or during the rare tetrad moons.

Luk 21:25¶And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

 

[rdcast]

Ten seconds, ten minutes, ten days, weeks, months, years, decades...the decisive question is not how long it will take but rather what we are doing during the wait.

Remember...Just going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a car.

Taking a couple of snippets out of context here for clarity.

Again, the obvious and basic fact that no man can know the exact time or date, doesn't need rehashing. At least not here in this "Eschatology Forum". By continually hammering at it, makes it appear you just discovered it for yourselves. Let this issue be left for Sunday School Teachers to expound upon. I for one, have no qualm over this well accepted fact and would abhor any alternative view. It happens to be a most comforting point of trust in God's omniscient boundaries, as all loving parents need to provide their children. We aren't allowed knowledge of all that God must know.

I endeavor to take a more topical focus on the meaning and spirit of Eschatology. No one should feel the need to defend it's purpose, particularly here.

As for anyone being unbalanced in their personal devotions, good works, or any portion of their relationship with Jesus Christ, His Heavenly Father or involvement with the Holy Spirit, these issues have ample opportunity for expression in other locations in christianforums.com. If it's a matter of needed rebuke, then can't we resolve it through private messaging?

For anyone who misunderstands the commandments to know, in what "watch" Jesus Christ must return, can and should pour over the pages in this forum, with an eye out to avoid off topic remarks.

Christian Eschatology

 

[rdcast]

Christ's return will begin with the rapture

By taking this view, you're suggesting that the rapture is the last event before the end, is this correct?

 

[B1inHim]

Taking a couple of snippets out of context here for clarity.

Why would you take a snippet from my text, render them completely undefined and out of context and then ramble on about how we should be PMing instead of using this site for what it is.

I made declaration in my text, they will come to pass in our life time, period.

There is nothing to defend, that which I gave is clearly seen to those who look, read and understand...

A "word" of wisdom gift is just that, a portion of a sentence in a paragraph, in text to us from Him for our edification, exhortation and admonishment.

The gift of the word of wisdom is also the revealing of prophetic future; it is speaking hidden truths of what is not known. It is a supernatural perspective to ascertain the divine means for accomplishing God's will in a given situation, and is a divinely given power
This type of wisdom is a gift which cannot be gained through study or experience and should by no means try to replace them

Your concerns, assertions and expectations for this site have been noted.

Love,
Brother Jerry
My new siggy
Remember...Just going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a car.

 

[rdcast]

Why would you take a snippet from my text, render them completely undefined and out of context and then ramble on about how we should be PMing instead of using this site for what it is.

You asked a question, so of course I want to answer you. The entire post I quoted from was itself a snippet. I chose two sub-snippets I cared to comment on. That's why. The content of my post is supported by me 100%. Does that affect my love for you as my brother? Not possible. I always have and will continue to appreciate your genuine input, of which there have been many, tho some of it I chalk up to as youthful indulgence. And yes, as for chastisements, rebukes, personal disagreements, I prefer privacy.

More ramblings from your elder.
Christian Brother Bob
P.S. What makes me a Christian has been told more times than I could possibly remember, as testimony of His Glory and Mercy. I don't need His return to believe, though He has promised He will, with the charge to understand in what watch that will occur.

 

[juancerio]

Please refresh my memory on how we come to 1 hr = 42 yrs. Also, it has been suggested that the 3 ½ years also brings, what your calling departure, Jesus' Crucifixion 3,500 yrs after first sin, which means Jesus returns 3,500yrs after departure, which would be 500yrs from now.

you see jesus died on the cross in the year 31 he just did not die on that date he died on that date at the correct time in history that he was supposed to die. if we take the bible and add the birth and events up we would come up so interesting tthings like number 1. adam sin in the year 31b.c. and the flood was in the year 1656bc and the first promise was to abraham around the year 2000bc but 2000 years after adam sin jesus christ died on the cross and 2000 years after that would put us at the year 2031ad. According to the bible every 50th generation something happens, every 40 years is a generation, according to the bible. so every 50th gereration something happens in the first 50th generation adam sin and their was a flood and the promise was given to abraham, in the second 50th generation jesus was crucerfied, or one could say that god could have destroyed the world at that thime but jesus died on our behalf insted. In the third 50th generation which is our time will end in the year 2031ad something will happen you can count on it jesus will return before the year 2031ad. If you dont believe in the bible go google youtube and put end time prophecy and look at the storms, since 2000. they have increased on a scale not seen in history that we know of and at the rate they are going the earth will destory it self. This is a fact and every scientist knows this. this earth is dyeing. God bless, repeat and serve the lord!

 

[ViaCrucis]

you see jesus died on the cross in the year 31 he just did not die on that date he died on that date at the correct time in history that he was supposed to die. if we take the bible and add the birth and events up we would come up so interesting tthings like number 1. adam sin in the year 31b.c. and the flood was in the year 1656bc and the first promise was to abraham around the year 2000bc but 2000 years after adam sin jesus christ died on the cross and 2000 years after that would put us at the year 2031ad. According to the bible every 50th generation something happens, every 40 years is a generation, according to the bible. so every 50th gereration something happens in the first 50th generation adam sin and their was a flood and the promise was given to abraham, in the second 50th generation jesus was crucerfied, or one could say that god could have destroyed the world at that thime but jesus died on our behalf insted. In the third 50th generation which is our time will end in the year 2031ad something will happen you can count on it jesus will return before the year 2031ad. If you dont believe in the bible go google youtube and put end time prophecy and look at the storms, since 2000. they have increased on a scale not seen in history that we know of and at the rate they are going the earth will destory it self. This is a fact and every scientist knows this. this earth is dyeing. God bless, repeat and serve the lord!

So the flood happened after Abraham?

How do you know Jesus died in the year 31? You don't.

As for the rest it's just idle speculation without substance.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Hismessenger]

The question should be when will he return for you as he comes every day for someone.

hismessenger

 

[Achilles6129]

I have said that I believe that Christ will return in the 2030s and given my reasons for that throughout this thread. Of course, I'm not sure about that - it's just my opinion. However, one thing is certain - Christ cannot return until the signs given in the Scriptures come to pass. This means that we must have a global government, ten kings, the beast, etc. All written in Daniel/2 Th./Rev. must be fulfilled.

In addition, prior to Christ's return the human race will know that their world is ending. If you don't believe me, just look in Luke 21 (where one of the clearer descriptions is given):

"25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken." Lu. 21:25-26

There is no question, if one reads all the descriptions given of the end, that the human race will know that their world is coming to an end and will be able to do nothing about it. The individuals who interpret the book of Revelation "wholly symbolically" do not take chapters like Luke 21 into account.

I wish that Christ would return soon, but remember that it says the bridegroom tarried. In addition, in the book of Revelation we have what I believe to be a code:

"7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready." Rev. 19:7

I believe that the "his wife hath made herself ready" portion signifies that everyone who has ever been born and will obey the real gospel of Jesus Christ has been born. In other words, there is no-one left who will ever obey the real gospel of Jesus Christ.

If anyone has any other thoughts on the 2nd coming, or why precisely it is taking so long and what God is waiting for, feel free to post them.

 

[trumpeter]

Achilles6129
I have said that I believe that Christ will return in the 2030s and given my reasons for that throughout this thread. Of course, I'm not sure about that - it's just my opinion. However, one thing is certain - Christ cannot return until the signs given in the Scriptures come to pass. This means that we must have a global government, ten kings, the beast, etc. All written in Daniel/2 Th./Rev. must be fulfilled.

If anyone has any other thoughts on the 2nd coming, or why precisely it is taking so long and what God is waiting for, feel free to post them.

Based on Scripture, 2030 is too many years beyond Israel becoming a nation again and the beginning of the 70 year generation. I think the latter part of 2017 is when Christ returns to set up his Millennial kingdom.

His return is not taking any longer than what he originally plan to do before creation, this includes those in Christ who before creation were called, justified and glorified (Rom 8:30). God is not the one waiting, he continues “working out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will” (Eph 1:11).

We, the church, are the ones waiting for our Savior’s return before Jacob’s trouble and the Jews in the Tribulation will be watching for their Messiah’s return during their time of trouble. With the Messiah’s return near the end of 2017 our Savior should return in the summer months of 2014.