Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Evolution

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by AV1611VET And mixologists disagree with me that drinking is a sin.

So do other Christians.

That is also another debatable topic

http://www.christianforums.com/t7546018/
Is it a sin to say the Bible calls drinking in moderation a sin?

 

[Doveaman]

Why does this require a nested hierarchy?

Perfect example of what I am talking about. These wheels do not fall into a nested hierarchy.

Oh, really?

All are round and composed of rubber and metal, having a similar molecular structure. They can then be grouped by color, by size, by the amount of spokes, by the amount of wheel nut holes, by the type of wheel cap they carry and don't carry, etc.

 

[Skaloop]

Oh, really?

All are round and composed of rubber and metal, having a similar molecular structure. They can then be grouped by color, by size, by the amount of spokes, by the amount of wheel nut holes, by the type of wheel cap they carry and don't carry, etc.

They can, but what you describe is not a nested hierarchy.

 

[Doveaman]

Yeah, silly science for not addressing things it was never meant to address.

You call it "silly". I call it "myopic".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh, really?

All are round and composed of rubber and metal, having a similar molecular structure. They can then be grouped by color, by size, by the amount of spokes, by the amount of wheel nut holes, by the type of wheel cap they carry and don't carry, etc.

Looks like a perfect description of Christianity and the multitudes of Denominations, views, beliefs, doctrines and dogmas in it today ehehe

http://www.christianforums.com/t7493787/#post58306186
Can Catholicism and Protestantism get along?

 

[Doveaman]

They can, but what you describe is not a nested hierarchy.

How so? Enlighten me.

 

[Belk]

You call it "silly". I call it "myopic".

Call it whatever you want. It still just you complaining because science does not and can not cater to your beliefs.

 

[Doveaman]

well, gene allele shift frequencies and variations, a fact, is a true event.

Thats the fact of evolution.

The theory seeks to explain why and how this happens.

I accept your fact, but I reject your theory.

 

[Doveaman]

Call it whatever you want. It still just you complaining because science does not and can not cater to your beliefs.

Hence, myopic.

 

[psalms 91]

So do other Christians.

Drinking is not a sin, drunkeness is

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Skaloop They can, but what you describe is not a nested hierarchy.

How so? Enlighten me.

I can try, but I doubt it would do any good

NKJV) Matthew 8:20 And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air [have] nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay [His] head."
[Ezekiel 31:6/Luke 9:58]

 

[psalms 91]

I accept your fact, but I reject your theory.

Since the whole premise is flawed how can you explain it? Creation is fact, evolution is theory. I do not disapprove of science but I also will not reject the bible for what man considers fact when almost all of science of the time was eventually readjusted or disproven.

 

[Skaloop]

How so? Enlighten me.

Because you're just grouping them, not placing them into any kind of hierarchy. For a nested hierarchy, you'd have to demonstrate something more along the lines of the following:

Every wheel with five spokes has four nut-holes. No wheels with four nut holes have four spokes. If a wheel has an 18" diameter and a chrome cap, it will also have five nut-holes.

 

[Doveaman]

Since the whole premise is flawed how can you explain it? Creation is fact, evolution is theory. I do not disapprove of science but I also will not reject the bible for what man considers fact when almost all of science of the time was eventually readjusted or disproven.

I agree. A humanly inspired theory can never replace the God inspired facts.

 

[Doveaman]

Because you're just grouping them, not placing them into any kind of hierarchy. For a nested hierarchy, you'd have to demonstrate something more along the lines of the following:

Every wheel with five spokes has four nut-holes. No wheels with four nut holes have four spokes. If a wheel has an 18" diameter and a chrome cap, it will also have five nut-holes.

I see. So I just have to design the wheels accordingly and I'll have myself a nested hierarchy by intelligent design.

 

[Doveaman]

I can try, but I doubt it would do any good

...birds of the air [have] nests,

This looks more like a nested high-are-she.

 

[Greg1234]

Call it whatever you want. It still just you complaining because science does not and can not cater to your beliefs.

Which scientific community are you talking about? Methodological naturalism? Intelligent design?

 

[Skaloop]

I see. So I just have to design the wheels accordingly and I'll have myself a nested hierarchy by intelligent design.

of course. Nobody's saying an intelligent designer can't design a nested hierarchy, rather that an intelligent designer doesn't have to do so. They could design in any manner they choose. And in fact would not do so by nested hierarchy because it is neither the most efficient nor effective way of designing things.

Evolution, on the other hand, pretty much necessitates a nested hierarchy. And because a nested hierarchy is a specific requirement of evolution, and not any sort of requirement at all for an intelligent designer, the fact that life is in a nested hierarchy more strongly supports evolution than intelligent design.

Consider it this way. You have two chefs willing to cook a meal for you. You go to Chef A and tell him you want a pizza, 12" in diameter, with pepperoni, mozza and cheddar cheese, ground beef, hot peppers, mushrooms, and pineapple. You go to Chef B and tell him he is free to make you whatever meal he wants.

The first meal comes out, and it's a pizza, 12" in diameter, with pepperoni, mozza and cheddar cheese, ground beef, hot peppers, mushrooms, and pineapple.

Which chef made that meal? Certainly it could have been either, but the specific requirements made of Chef A definitely point to him being the one who made the meal.

 

[Skaloop]

Which scientific community are you talking about? Methodological naturalism? Intelligent design?

He said scientific community. Which rules out the second one right off the bat.

 

[Greg1234]

Every wheel with five spokes has four nut-holes. No wheels with four nut holes have four spokes. If a wheel has an 18" diameter and a chrome cap, it will also have five nut-holes.

"Every wheel with five spokes has four nut-holes. No wheels with four nut holes have four spokes. If a wheel has an 18" diameter and a chrome cap, it will also have five nut-holes. [And if you find an 18" diameter with four nut-holes it is completely in line with the nested hierarchy since four evolved from five exactly as the nested hierarchy proceeds.]"