Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Evolution

[Loudmouth]

Even though I majored in biology, I never agreed with this "family tree" to which you allude.

Why not?

 

[Skaloop]

Of course, but we are also created above the animals.
Our differences are so great that we deserve our own classification above the apes, but within the primates.

The differences between humans and other primates is just as pronounced as the differences between humans and other apes. Why are you OK with humans falling in with primates but not apes?

The difference between a Great Dane and a Chihuahua is also pretty great, and yet they still qualify as the same species! Getting up to the family level, the differences encompassed by other familial groups is far greater than the differences between the apes.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Exactly, a banana and an apple are very distinct, and not related at all.

Speaking of bananas, supposedly they're our nightmare!

Kirk Cameron And Bananas - YouTube

 

[Loudmouth]

"It is not pleasing to me that I must place humans among the primates, but man is intimately familiar with himself. Let's not quibble over words. It will be the same to me whatever name is applied. But I desperately seek from you and from the whole world a general difference between men and simians from the principles of Natural History. I certainly know of none. If only someone might tell me one! If I called man a simian or vice versa I would bring together all the theologians against me. Perhaps I ought to, in accordance with the law of Natural History."--Linnaeus, 1774

 

[MariaRegina]

The differences between humans and other primates is just as pronounced as the differences between humans and other apes. Why are you OK with humans falling in with primates but not apes?

The difference between a Great Dane and a Chihuahua is also pretty great, and yet they still qualify as the same species! Getting up to the family level, the differences encompassed by other familial groups is far greater than the differences between the apes.

Yes, Great Danes and Chihuahuas can interbreed because they are the same species. However, if a Great Dane male were to impregnate a Chichuhua female, there could be dire consequences. Even wolves and coyotes can interbreed with common dogs.

I can understand and respect familial groupings, but these groupings are based now on so-called "evolutionary" adaptive radiations.

While humans, chimps, baboons, and gorillas are not in the same species, humans and the other apes have huge differences. Just the innate human language faculty is a huge leap. Human creativity is another. Have any apes created electrical tools?

 

[cupid dave]

"It is not pleasing to me that I must place humans among the primates, but man is intimately familiar with himself. Let's not quibble over words. It will be the same to me whatever name is applied. But I desperately seek from you and from the whole world a general difference between men and simians from the principles of Natural History. I certainly know of none. If only someone might tell me one! If I called man a simian or vice versa I would bring together all the theologians against me. Perhaps I ought to, in accordance with the law of Natural History."--Linnaeus, 1774

Hmmm...

Man seems separated from all animals by language.

There is only one animal with the facility of spoken language and that seems enough to create a whole new phylum for Mankind, especial if ET were to arrive in 2012.

 

[Loudmouth]

Man seems separated from all animals by language.

All species have species specific features. I can find differences between chihuahuas and great danes. Does that mean that they do not share a common ancestor?

There is only one animal with the facility of spoken language

Birds, cetaceans, and even other apes use spoken languages.

 

[Skaloop]

Hmmm...

Man seems separated from all animals by language.

There is only one animal with the facility of spoken language and that seems enough to create a whole new phylum for Mankind, especial if ET were to arrive in 2012.

Every species has some unique characteristic(s) that separate it from the other animals. Elephants are the only animals with a trunk, for instance. Why isn't that enough to create a new phylum for elephantkind?

 

[MariaRegina]

Hmmm...

Man seems separated from all animals by language.

There is only one animal with the facility of spoken language and that seems enough to create a whole new phylum for Mankind, especial if ET were to arrive in 2012.

This is what I have been saying all along.

This innate/inborn infinite and sophisticated human language faculty common to humans, but not common to apes, definitely separates us from the Great Apes.

 

[Skaloop]

Birds, cetaceans, and even other apes use spoken languages.

That's communication, not language.

 

[Jazer]

Hmmm...

Man seems separated from all animals by language.

Just what genetic mutation does man have that the other animals do not seem to have?

 

[Loudmouth]

While humans, chimps, baboons, and gorillas are not in the same species, humans and the other apes have huge differences.

Not really. We share the vast majority of our DNA with chimps. In fact, chimps share more DNA with us than they do with all of the other apes.

Just the innate human language faculty is a huge leap. Human creativity is another. Have any apes created electrical tools?

Yes, they have. This ape figured it out:

 

[Loudmouth]

That's communication, not language.

It's communication through voice. It is language.

 

[AV1611VET]

But I desperately seek from you and from the whole world a general difference between men and simians from the principles of Natural History. I certainly know of none.

That shows a common designer, not a common ancestor.

If you want to adhere to 'common ancestor', that's your prerogative; but don't call yours 'science' and ours 'religion'.

 

[Loudmouth]

This is what I have been saying all along.

This innate/inborn infinite and sophisticated human language faculty common to humans, but not common to apes, definitely separates us from the Great Apes.

Why? I can find differences between every ape species, but does that stop them from being apes? Species are grouped by commonalities, not differences. That has been the case since Linnaeus well before Darwin was ever born.

 

[sk8Joyful]

That's communication, not language.

Exactly.
Which is why us humans, can not possibly be apes.

Wait!, 'some few' humans, by the way they act... might qualify as a...; but
only as an aberation ; to how God us humans created...

Yes, another reason why the Internet was invented by us humans:
to help the 'aberations', once again become human

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

That shows a common designer, not a common ancestor.

If you want to adhere to 'common ancestor', that's your prerogative; but don't call yours 'science' and ours 'religion'.

This designer dude has one heck of a cruel streak. Since you seem to be so sure about this 'designer' dude, why don't ask him why I can't edogenously make vitamin C, for starters.

 

[Loudmouth]

That shows a common designer, not a common ancestor.

What observation, if made, would be inconsistent with a common designer?

Also, why would an all powerful and all knowing deity with unlimited time and resources need to copy a single design? Humans only copy designs because we lack knowledge, time, and resources. What you are describing is a designer with all of the flaws that humans have.

 

[Skaloop]

Exactly.
Which is why us humans, can not possibly be apes.

No. "Does not have innate language abilities" is not a requirement for classification as an ape. So having innate language abilities doesn't disqualify humans from apehood.

 

[Loudmouth]

Exactly.
Which is why us humans, can not possibly be apes.

How so? Why does an increased ability for language in our species separate us from the other apes?