Who did Moses chat with?

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my answer is in post #244.

Interesting the post you quote is 235. I think that comes before 244. Am I wrong about that too?

your statement goes against the written word, isah 42:21, the prophecy that Jesus was fulfilling. if not, you show me where this verse is fulfilled!

How so? I see no explanation.

yes, He did. just not like you think. if you'll read verses 46-48, He tells you what He fulfilled that was written about Him (so that there would be no doubt).

Since you answered your question above I find no need to say anything else. I highlighted and bolded in my favorite color your words which would be my answer.

i'd do some more reading if i were you.

So give me a hint what I should read. Thanks.

what i wrote had nothing to do with matt 5.

Really? How is that? Just because you didn't quote or reference that? Amazing!

nothing that i know of.

Great! Now explain how Jesus compares to Moses since you referenced Deut 18:15?

why are you writing dribble?

Why do you make such a statement. I know very well what dribble as used above means and it isn't allowed to use that kind of language here. Sorry not guilty as charged.

seems to me, that you have your facts wrong, gen 39:9!

I sure thought that I clearly said marriage was before the law. And so was adultery if I read Moses correctly.

 

[Frogster]

Beats me. I don't really get into prophecy stuff as it doesn't affect my salvation. So Revelation isn't one of my very studied books. It has been abused to the point I've lost most interest in it. I do occasionally quote from it.

i agree..

 

[from scratch]

why do you think i asked you to explain what you wrote, to 1cor 7:19, which you refuse to do?!

I did here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7595576-23/#post58750592 and here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7595576-20/#post58743600 Guess you didn't like my answer. So why don't you post what you want me to say. Make sure to tell me that is what I'm supposed to say. That way I can give an answer you like. Deal?

BTW what does your statement/request have to do with the part of the post quoted above or below that request?

ok, go ahead and play dumb!

I am guessing that you have a wrong reference. I Cor 7:19 deals with circumcision and not marriage. OK are you asking about the keeping of the commandments is all that matters?

I've asked over and over what are those commandments. I gave a hint in posting I John 3:23 as a reference. And what I get back is the 10 Cs. I beg to disagree on that point. I've discussed this verse at length before. I said and will say again the problem is that when you hear or say the word commandments it is automatically the 10 Cs. This isn't the case here in I John 3:23 or Gen 26:5.

You say that John 14:15 and 15:10 are the 10 Cs. In I John 3:23 John says God says His commandment is to believe and do as His Son says. Jesus says that love one another is a new commandment - John 13:34. I think that Stryder said this isn't a new commandment. Is he correct? So is Jesus fibbing? Or is it Luke misquoting Jesus? Now are you going to try and get me by requesting that I prove it is a new commandment since something similar is found in the law? My position is that I accept what Jesus is reported to have said by faith and not understanding. Otherwise I must come to the conclusion that the Bible is unreliable. Now can you show that the KJV is wrong from the Greek?

Now what are the commandments of God according to the NC? Are they the law? No. The fourth is no where to be found in the NT as a requirement. It is talked about, yes but not required. That is a big difference. Please don't bring up this emulate or do as Jesus stuff. It will be very fun for me, but not for you. I guarantee you won't like my argument/apology statement.

no, the point of the matter is, i asked you to explain your view of jn 15:10 in light of 1cor 7:19, written by paul, and you keep coming up with off-the-wall stuff not to answer!

Did I get a satisfactory answer through, yet?

more deflection, sheesh!

I simply don't think so. Again the problem is your application and definition of the word commandments. I've explained this several times.

i've already been over this with you before. but, again for the "hard of hearing", if one does not have faith, it is a clear rejection of God, therefore, in that rejection, one would violate the first commandment! now, tell me that you don't agree with that, and i'll leave you alone.

Does Romans 14:23 not define sin as well as I John 3:4? It is exactly the same sentence pattern. Is it a problem that the law doesn't lack of faith is a sin? Doesn't Romans 5:13 say that sin was in the world beore the law? Doesn't Gal 3:19 say that the law came (was added)because of transgression? Isn't transgression the same thing as sin?

sin was in the world before or until the law was given, formally, at mt. sinai. but, sin could only be in the world if there was law, rom 4:15, otherwise, there's a contradiction! (but, for some reason, you guys can't see that)

I point you to Romans 5:13 once more for this point. For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Imputed here means charged. So a purpose is to charge man for sin.

no, but it does say, "he that practice righteousness", hence the reference to ps 119:172! (use your noggin' after that). for us, righteousness does not come by the law because we have all sinned, in other words, transgressed the law.

I think you're implying that I practice sin. I point you to Gal 5:13-24. It also mentions that those who follow the leading of the Spirit aren't obligated to the law in v 18.

we all deserve death, rom 6:23!

this is why we need Jesus! we can't keep the commandments, but He can (jn 15:10)!

Hold dem hosses! Isn't it promoted by the pro law camp that one can keep the law perfectly with the aid of the Holy Spirit? I've been dealing with them for years now. I have a new puter cause the old one died and don't have access to my files on the subject. Somebody will make that statement again and I will put it on this puter.

but, with His help (gal 2:20), we can do as paul wrote:

Romans 8:4(NKJV)
4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

See I didn't have to wait long. The requirements of the law are met by Jesus for us according to you above quote. It is nothing we do. You might want to read v 1-6 on this.

no i don't, see my previous response.

If you say so but I disagree.

no, i'm just relying on what the bible says, js 2:16!

Why do you reference I John 3:4? I don't think it is because of James 2:16. I sure don't see how the 2 references relate.

reread what i wrote. i wasn't talking about you!

If you were talking about Christians in general you were speaking about me. So I wish to know then who is promoting the commandments or sin. Please be specific about which ones you might respond about. I hope you will respond about both.

wrong again. reread what i said, dang!

Jesus was and always has been the Son of God. He has never been anything different. To say He became the Son of God is a tad bit Arian for me. Remember God never changes.

 

[Stryder06]

Beats me. I don't really get into prophecy stuff as it doesn't affect my salvation. So Revelation isn't one of my very studied books. It has been abused to the point I've lost most interest in it. I do occasionally quote from it.

You don't think prophecy affects your salvation? That's interesting. And you don't have an explanation for John seeing the Law of God in heaven? Perhaps you should study that since the book says:

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

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You don't think prophecy affects your salvation? That's interesting. And you don't have an explanation for John seeing the Law of God in heaven? Perhaps you should study that since the book says:

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

I both read and hear the words of this prophecy but don't understand because of the abuse. I don't think you understand it either.

Now if you can show me that affects my salvation I'll take an interest.

Did John see the stone tablets or was that EGW?

Your verse says the Ark of His testament. I see nothing about the law or the stone tablets. Do you have a verse that states John saw the stone tablets or the law?

 

[listed]

I wonder what this thread is about? I think I know at least one purpose of the OP. It like most all other threads is all over the place. Why can't people stay on topic?

 

[Frogster]

You don't think prophecy affects your salvation? That's interesting. And you don't have an explanation for John seeing the Law of God in heaven? Perhaps you should study that since the book says:

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

This also was, and still is a prophecy, for those who seek to keep the old cov alive, and trample the Spirit of grace, Heb 10:29.



12:25 See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven

 

[Stryder06]

Your verse says the Ark of His testament. I see nothing about the law or the stone tablets. Do you have a verse that states John saw the stone tablets or the law?

What kind of foolish logic is this? What was in the ark of the covenant? You can't separate the two scratch.

But like I said, you want to see what you want to see which is why you even asked this question.

 

[Stryder06]

Understanding prophecy, especially Revelation, protects you against deception. Ever think about why most people don't bother with that book?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Understanding prophecy, especially Revelation, protects you against deception. Ever think about why most people don't bother with that book?

Good point.
I myself quote from it often here on GT

http://www.christianforums.com/t7397815/
Should Revelations be studied?

As Christians, and those anticipating the coming of our Lord, should it be of importance to the body of Christ to study and understand the last book of the bible?

There are many incorrect theories floating around about what Revelations teaches, this being the case, shouldn't the church have the best understanding (as good as possible that is) in regards to this book?

Even move, do you think that Revelations is important to salvation and our mission to preach the gospel?

 

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What kind of foolish logic is this? What was in the ark of the covenant? You can't separate the two scratch.

But like I said, you want to see what you want to see which is why you even asked this question.

I recall you saying John saw the law in heaven. What would that mean? I don't see any Scripture. Are you allergic to it or something? Or do you just want to eat my time?

Now about the foolish question comment. What makes your statements any more less foolish than mine? Are they foolish because they don't agree with yours? I think most of your statements come without any Scripture. And by that I mean a direct quote of a full verse or a reference. Isn't that pretty poor for someone in a church leadership position? I think so. To me this means your statements are to be accepted because I said so. That simply isn't a valid basis for an adult.

Now maybe you can't seperate a thing from its contents, but I can. Now what evidence do you have that shows the tablets of stone in heaven and specifically the Ark of the Covenant or Testament?

As I recall the plans of the Ark didn't include the stone tablets.

 

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Understanding prophecy, especially Revelation, protects you against deception. Ever think about why most people don't bother with that book?

So how is that, especially since I don't follow prophecy? I sure won't lead one to deception about their salvation. I have enough sense to stay away from the fad religious stuff. I don't need something new and exciting in my life every day. I'm not emotional based. Maybe that is why some have trouble jerking my string in that direction. I way almost everything with how it affects salvation. Prophecy doesn't affect John 3, Acts 2, 16 or Romans 10.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So how is that, especially since I don't follow prophecy? I sure won't lead one to deception about their salvation. I have enough sense to stay away from the fad religious stuff. I don't need something new and exciting in my life every day. I'm not emotional based. Maybe that is why some have trouble jerking my string in that direction. I way almost everything with how it affects salvation. Prophecy doesn't affect John 3, Acts 2, 16 or Romans 10.

Revelation is a Prophecy

http://www.christianforums.com/t7595576/#post58757063

Reve 1:3 Happy the one reading and the ones hearing the Words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been Written,
for the Time NIGH/egguV <1451>. [Reve 22:6,10]

Revelation 22:10 And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the scroll, this,
that the Time NIGH/egguV <1451> is" [Revelation 1:3]

 

[Stryder06]

I recall you saying John saw the law in heaven. What would that mean? I don't see any Scripture. Are you allergic to it or something? Or do you just want to eat my time?

The ark of the covenant is that which holds the law of God. To see the ark is to see the law because they go hand in hand together.

Now about the foolish question comment. What makes your statements any more less foolish than mine? Are they foolish because they don't agree with yours? I think most of your statements come without any Scripture. And by that I mean a direct quote of a full verse or a reference. Isn't that pretty poor for someone in a church leadership position? I think so. To me this means your statements are to be accepted because I said so. That simply isn't a valid basis for an adult.

Please. When I post scripture I'm told that I'm "proof-texting" If I don't post scripture it's usually because I'm simply explaining my understanding of the scripture that is on the table already. I don't do the "my verse trumps your verse" thing anymore. If all scripture is given by inspiriation, than no one scripture trumps or explains away another. They all work in harmony together.

Now maybe you can't seperate a thing from its contents, but I can. Now what evidence do you have that shows the tablets of stone in heaven and specifically the Ark of the Covenant or Testament?

What are you asking here? I already told you that the ark contains the testament, which is the law of God. That's why it's called the ark of the testament. Shouldn't the rules of english make that self explanatory?

As I recall the plans of the Ark didn't include the stone tablets.

You recall incorrectly. If you took the time to study the sanctuary, as I had suggested you would have seen that.

 

[Stryder06]

So how is that, especially since I don't follow prophecy? I sure won't lead one to deception about their salvation. I have enough sense to stay away from the fad religious stuff. I don't need something new and exciting in my life every day. I'm not emotional based. Maybe that is why some have trouble jerking my string in that direction. I way almost everything with how it affects salvation. Prophecy doesn't affect John 3, Acts 2, 16 or Romans 10.

Look at it like this, many of the Jews in Jesus' day missed His first coming because they didn't understand prophecy. Many a person isn't going to be ready for Christ's second coming because they don't understand prophecy. If that doesn't show how it affects your salvation, I don't know what does.

 

[Frogster]

What kind of foolish logic is this? What was in the ark of the covenant? You can't separate the two scratch.

But like I said, you want to see what you want to see which is why you even asked this question.

are pork laws written in stone?

lets not press things too much either, there were no thrones in the tabernacle , as far as heaven being an exact copy, no?

 

[Frogster]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Look at it like this, many of the Jews in Jesus' day missed His first coming because they didn't understand prophecy. Many a person isn't going to be ready for Christ's second coming because they don't understand prophecy. If that doesn't show how it affects your salvation, I don't know what does.

Yeah, I kinda sensed that over on this "twilight zone" board ehehe

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[from scratch]

Look at it like this, many of the Jews in Jesus' day missed His first coming because they didn't understand prophecy. Many a person isn't going to be ready for Christ's second coming because they don't understand prophecy. If that doesn't show how it affects your salvation, I don't know what does.

So what does one have to do to be ready for Jesus' return?

If you're saved - IOW possess salvation and have eternal life, aren't you ready for Jesus' return?

 

[YosemiteSam]

yes, i answered the question in my post #109 earlier in the thread!

moses chatted with the One we know as the Christ!

Can't quit get this one can they?

"...the Lamb will overcome them because he is the Lord of lords and King of kings..." Rev 17:14 I think everyone here agrees that the Lamb, Jesus Christ is being described here...

Matthew Henrys Commentary reads We read not of any appearance of God's glory to Joshua till now. There appeared to him one as a man to be noticed. This Man was the Son of God, the eternal Word. Joshua gave him Divine honours: he received them, which a created angel would not have done, and he is called Jehovah, chap. 6:2 . To Abraham he appeared as a traveller; to Joshua as a man of war. Christ will be to his people what their faith needs. Christ had his sword drawn, which encouraged Joshua to carry on the war with vigour. Christ's sword drawn in his hand, denotes how ready he is for the defence and salvation of his people. His sword turns every way. Joshua will know whether he is a friend or a foe. The cause between the Israelites and Canaanites, between Christ and Beelzebub, will not admit of any man's refusing to take one part or the other, as he may do in worldly contests. Joshua's inquiry shows an earnest desire to know the will of Christ, and a cheerful readiness and resolution to do it. All true Christians must fight under Christ's banner, and they will conquer by his presence and assistance.

It was the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us...John 1:1...Joshua was confronted by the commander of the Lord's army... this is a dead give away... Christ who is the Lord is also the commander of His army. Just as the President is the Commander in Chief...You think not? What did Joshua say? "What sayeth my Lord unto his servant?" Joshua called him "my lord"

That same personage that spoke to Moses on the mount was now speaking to Joshua...