Another poor response to ERV evidence for common ancestry by a creationist.

[Doveaman]

Demonstrate that what you're claiming is the truth.

If you met a man named Jesus and He claimed to be God, what would He have to do to demonstrate to you that He was indeed God?

 

[AV1611VET]

Phone number?

Jeremiah 333

But if you want the number of Who you're gonna call -- it's Jeremiah 333.

Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

His phone number is Jeremiah 333.

 

[Jazer]

If you met a man named Jesus and He claimed to be God, what would He have to do to demonstrate to you that He was indeed God?

He would have to know, understand and live the Bible better then any man who has ever lived.

 

[dad]

Evidence please.

Easy as pie. To be evidenced and require evidence against something one must have something first. So called science is not evidenced and that is evidenced by your failure to evidence it here. Therefore no evidence is needed to make the claims of so called science false, they will and must remain false by their inability to punch through to the real world in any meaningful way whatsoever.

Floods would definitely interrupt lake varves. Here is a picture of lake varves interrupted above and below by flooding:



Notice how the flood deposits (above and below the laminated layers) are coarse grained and the lake varves are fine grained with alternating colors. We should see this same thing in lake varves across the world at the same exact time. We don't. Therefore, no global flood. It is that simple. This is backed up by correlated annual records in tree ring dendrochronologies and annual ice layer deposition in both the Antarctic and Greenland.

Tree rings have meaning only when trees exist in this state and take a long time to grow. If the trees could grow in weeks, as seemingly indicated in the record of sacred antiquity, then the meaning is ripped from the very heart of so called science models on trees of the past. As for layers, again, no limits on slow present state style deposition can be proven to exist, which renders the uniformitarian insinuations of varves utterly useless. In addition, depending of the site of the deposits, other factors that require a present state also start to form part of the mix.

That is the only state there is.

What state there is is not relative to what was.

Evidence please. Also explain why the tree ring dendrochronologies match the lake varves and annual ice layers.

Easy. The same mistake is superimposed across the so called science slate, resulting in imaginary old ages that can be welded by cunning slate of hand to look as if they would make some sort of forced match in an imaginary same state past.

That is 65 million years old.

Imaginary years don't count.

What different transmission? Evidence please.

What evidence of ANY transmission in the days of Noah do you have? If you have none, then you may not ask for any, obviously. If you do, cough it up.

Did you forget that the rebuilt the ERV's and it produces retroviruses that are indistinguishable from modern retroviruses?

Obviously you think that has some meaning. Explain why and how taking something in this present state, and 'rebuilding' it even relates?

The foundation is in the OP.

No. It is not by any stretch. What in the OP do you claim is a foundation?

 

[sandwiches]

If you met a man named Jesus and He claimed to be God, what would He have to do to demonstrate to you that He was indeed God?

No clue but if he really were God, he'd know just what that would be.

 

[mzungu]

Oh this horrid thing called science. What evils it hides. Imagine giving the babe and the woman the ability to hear when God allowed them to be born deaf. SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE!!!!:

8 Month Old Deaf Baby's Reaction To Cochlear Implant Being Activated - YouTube

29 years old and hearing myself for the 1st time! - YouTube

 

[Nostromo]

Jesus healed the deaf.

How long was he going to wait with these guys?

 

[Loudmouth]

Easy as pie. To be evidenced and require evidence against something one must have something first.

We have ERV's, and they are evidence of common ancestry between humans and chimps. Your claims are falsified. Science is not a religion.

Tree rings have meaning only when trees exist in this state and take a long time to grow.

Since there are hundreds of annual layers on the trees, the tree rings are the evidence of long growth. The 14C dating matches both the insect and leaf debris found in annual lake varves, and in carbon dioxide captured in annual ice layers in both the Antarctic and in Greenland. That is the evidence, and you have never been able to refute it.

As for layers, again, no limits on slow present state style deposition can be proven to exist,

The 14C dating does prove it, as does the correlation between all three methods: lake varves, tree rings, and ice layers.

What state there is is not relative to what was.

Yes, it is. Observations in astronomy have proven that the present state has been the past state for 13 billion years.

What evidence of ANY transmission in the days of Noah . . .

Evidence for Noah, and evidence for different transmission in the past please.

Obviously you think that has some meaning. Explain why and how taking something in this present state, and 'rebuilding' it even relates?

Because the physical laws have not changed in 13 billion years.

 

[dad]

How long was he going to wait with these guys?

He did it instantly.

 

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[mark kennedy]

Wow, this thread is still around, that's amazing! Those siren songs of homology arguments still luring the faithless to the rocks of fallacy and fabrication. Isn't it comforting that Mendelian genetics resides deep enough to avoid the rocks and not so far as to be capsized among the winds and waves of conjecture and mythography. Darwinians are so comical...

BTW, this is going to be way off of topic. Not all Christians are Obama haters, the only thing I don't like about him is he is not Bill Clinton....now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

 

[Greg1234]

He did it instantly.

But it's not so much an acknowledgement here as it is the deification of the men involved. Physical medicine can be bypassed (and often is), but you can never bypass the foundational and ruling transcendent force which mediates internal compliance and procedural potency.

As it was in the case of the "scientifically advanced" walking stick and sign language, the endeavors towards the digital age would continue regardless of walkers getting lighter and more convenient or sign language getting more and more scientifically precise.

You see a man with an advanced hearing aid, a highly sophisticated oxygen tank, state of the art casts, modern iv drips and a "scientifically advanced" wheel chair , and you call him "sick" or "disabled." But when you see a man needing a cell phone, a Hadron collider, high powered telescopes, and wineries to do basic tasks, somehow he's the best thing to happen since the primordial soup.

Should a man come and explore the mysteries of the universe without the precious colliders, or make wine without a winery, he finds himself ducking wheelchairs and dodging verbose oxygen tanks.

We, as a people, are supposed to become more and more dependent on the wheelchair and the "scientific establishment" will not hesitate in curtailing complaints by adding rocket boosters and other amenities. The muscles in your legs are beginning to atrophy from disuse, yes, but the boosters, man. They're even working on vertical take-off and landing tomorrow. [video]

It's not about acknowledging, accepting and utilizing physical science as the subservient place holder that it is (which of course is not a problem) but it's more about an apotheosis. However, if they're interested in learning how to walk again...

 

[Doveaman]

Oh this horrid thing called science. What evils it hides. Imagine giving the babe and the woman the ability to hear when God allowed them to be born deaf. SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE!!!!:

How do you know it wasn't science that caused them to be born deaf?

 

[Doveaman]

We have ERV's, and they are evidence of common ancestry between humans and chimps.

I accept your facts, but I reject your theory and substitute it for my own theory that is also based on those same facts:

We have ERVs, and they are evidence of a recreated hominid design.

 

[mzungu]

How do you know it wasn't science that caused them to be born death?

You mean "Deaf"

 

[dad]

Wow, this thread is still around, that's amazing! Those siren songs of homology arguments still luring the faithless to the rocks of fallacy and fabrication. Isn't it comforting that Mendelian genetics resides deep enough to avoid the rocks and not so far as to be capsized among the winds and waves of conjecture and mythography. Darwinians are so comical...

BTW, this is going to be way off of topic. Not all Christians are Obama haters, the only thing I don't like about him is he is not Bill Clinton....now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

I don't appreciate his pro anti biblical lifestyle approach...just sayin..but hey, buy the man a cigar.

 

[dad]

We have ERV's, and they are evidence of common ancestry between humans and chimps. Your claims are falsified. Science is not a religion.

Not in any way is that true. You merely impose the present transfer methods and nature of life into the unknown, to get godless conclusions that cannot be supported.

Since there are hundreds of annual layers on the trees, the tree rings are the evidence of long growth.

Can't take your word for it. God planted the garden of Eden one week. Later that week man and best ate stuff that grew. In fact we see that there were trees there too. Noah sent out a bird...no trees. A week later again the bird was sent...a fresh leaf from a tree. This is solid support for fast plant growth in the different state past. Therefore your attempt at imposing present growth rates and nature on ancient tree rings is another wild peck at the unknown. Nothing more. Not science in any true sense of the word.

The 14C dating matches both the insect and leaf debris found in annual lake varves, and in carbon dioxide captured in annual ice layers in both the Antarctic and in Greenland. That is the evidence, and you have never been able to refute it.

No one needs to refute imaginary ages. We know that you simply apply same state past faith willy nilly across the evidence board. Making the same mistake of believing long ages were required to produce what would take long ages IF produced in this state has NO meaning at all. Not unless one is of your faith. I am not. I believe God. His word was highly supported, and evidenced and observed and tested.

The 14C dating does prove it, as does the correlation between all three methods: lake varves, tree rings, and ice layers.

Nonsense. As explained the 'correlation' is ALL religious present state based. You need to stop assuming there was one, and rearranging our evidence to fit. The rzor cuts both ways. I also look at evidence with a different state assumption and it correlates to a higher degree of accuracy! But if you want to foist your claims on us AS science you need more than a belief based starting point. Simple. No way round it.

Yes, it is. Observations in astronomy have proven that the present state has been the past state for 13 billion years.

Hilarious. The impositions man does are also present state earth based, and are 'correlated' and interpreted accordingly. Fact is we do not know what the universe was like either. Furthermore we do not know what laws are in place and what space exists. Do you really expect us to believe that all the observable universe is in our eath space, and golds only 3 D objects and is governed only by our present state earth zone laws? You NEED to FIRST prove it, rather than wildly casting your imagination into the great unknown.

Evidence for Noah, and evidence for different transmission in the past please.

There was no science, so the evidence is the record. Evidence against this evidence please??

Because the physical laws have not changed in 13 billion years.

Circular tomfoolery. The reasons for your claims stand exposed, and they are real, and honest folks should be able to realize it.


And I find all this exciting and good news indeed. Nice to KNOW God was really right all along.

 

[Naraoia]

Mark, I have to say poetry is not your forte

Try to express your point in clear, boring English, will you?

 

[Blayz]

Mark, I have to say poetry is not your forte

Try to express your point in clear, boring English, will you?

I beg to differ. Mark's poetry is infinitely better than his science.

 

[mark kennedy]

I beg to differ. Mark's poetry is infinitely better than his science.

Good one dude