Who did Moses chat with?

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I'm intersted in understanding Who Moses talked with?

Is there any Scriptural evidence for one or the other in the trinity doctrine?

Or is John saying that The Father and Jesus are the same Individual for lack of a better expression?

I'm looking at and for Scriptural evidence. You can provide anything elseyou like but only with support meaning you can use things outside the Bible. I just want to know what you base your idea on.

 

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The OP will vote after page 2 is finished. Thanks for your participation.

 

[Lion King]

He talked to God.

PS. There is but one God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

He talked to God.

PS. There is but one God.

YHVH also buried him

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

Rotherham Deut 34:5 So Moses, the servant of Yahweh, died there in the land of Moab at the bidding of Yahweh;
6 and He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor,--
but no man hath known his burying-place until this day.

 

[JRSut1000]

LittleLamb, I was just thinking about Moses' death a few days ago. On one side I was thinking that it was a shame he wasn't allowed into the Promised Land, but on the other hand, he died on the mountain where he'd met with a holy God. And God buried him. Kinda cool in a strange way.

I put 'God the Father' in the poll section, but I agree with the poster who said God is one. Isn't that what really matters? But considering that Moses was NOT allowed to see the face of God, then I don't see how it could be Y'shua as many have seen Y'shua in Scriptures (both OT and NT obviously) and not died. God in all His glory just cannot be seen, even Moses countenance was so changed merely by being in the presence of YHWH.

 

[LaSpino3]

Moses did make it into the promised land, kind of.

Matt.17:2, "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And behold there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him."

It was Jesus Christ who spoke to Moses at the burning bush, so I would suppose it was Jesus Christ, the Son of God who spoke to Moses as he hid in the rocks. Moses wanted to see Him in his glorified body. No man can look upon either the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit, in their holy natural state as spirit creatures, unless they are vailed in flesh.

Yet even in this glorified state, Moses saw the backside of God, and to Moses, God still had the form of a man. My answer, Jesus Christ, our Lord, and God.

Phil LaSpino

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Moses did make it into the promised land, kind of.

Matt.17:2, "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And behold there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him."

It was Jesus Christ who spoke to Moses at the burning bush, so I would suppose it was Jesus Christ, the Son of God who spoke to Moses as he hid in the rocks. Moses wanted to see Him in his glorified body. No man can look upon either the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit, in their holy natural state as spirit creatures, unless they are vailed in flesh.

Yet even in this glorified state, Moses saw the backside of God, and to Moses, God still had the form of a man. My answer, Jesus Christ, our Lord, and God.

Phil LaSpino

One of the most awesome events in the Gospels

Matthew 17:4 Answering yet Peter said to Jesus "Lord, ideal it is us here to be;
if Thou are willing, I shall be making here three booths/skhnaV <4633>, to Thee one, and to Moses one, and Elijah one.

Revelation 21:3 and I hear a great voice from out of the heaven saying, "Behold! the booth/skhnh <4633> of the God with the men,
and He shall be boothing/skhnwsei <4637> (5692) with them,
and they, peoples of Him shall be, and He, the God is with them

http://www.christianforums.com/t6728727-2/#post42606223
The word "booth" in NT/NC

 

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Moses did make it into the promised land, kind of.

Matt.17:2, "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And behold there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him."

It was Jesus Christ who spoke to Moses at the burning bush, so I would suppose it was Jesus Christ, the Son of God who spoke to Moses as he hid in the rocks. Moses wanted to see Him in his glorified body. No man can look upon either the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit, in their holy natural state as spirit creatures, unless they are vailed in flesh.

Yet even in this glorified state, Moses saw the backside of God, and to Moses, God still had the form of a man. My answer, Jesus Christ, our Lord, and God.

Phil LaSpino

So do you have some Scripture to show that it was Jesus who spoke to Moses in the burning bush? I'm looking for Scripture that backs your idea. I'm really interested in anything prior to the burning bush in this case.

 

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LittleLamb, I was just thinking about Moses' death a few days ago. On one side I was thinking that it was a shame he wasn't allowed into the Promised Land, but on the other hand, he died on the mountain where he'd met with a holy God. And God buried him. Kinda cool in a strange way.

I put 'God the Father' in the poll section, but I agree with the poster who said God is one. Isn't that what really matters? But considering that Moses was NOT allowed to see the face of God, then I don't see how it could be Y'shua as many have seen Y'shua in Scriptures (both OT and NT obviously) and not died. God in all His glory just cannot be seen, even Moses countenance was so changed merely by being in the presence of YHWH.

Do you have some Scripture to support this belief?

Your post rasies some other questions that I think would make a great thread.

 

[PaladinValer]

He talked to God.

PS. There is but one God.

Not the question.

He asked which Person.

All three Persons are equally and eternally God, but each Person is distinct.

Therefore, it is a valid question.

 

[Matariki]

He spoke to all three, when you address God you address everyone; the father, the son and the spirit.

 

[patience7]

I'm intersted in understanding Who Moses talked with?

Is there any Scriptural evidence for one or the other in the trinity doctrine?

Or is John saying that The Father and Jesus are the same Individual for lack of a better expression?

I'm looking at and for Scriptural evidence. You can provide anything elseyou like but only with support meaning you can use things outside the Bible. I just want to know what you base your idea on.

At first the scripture say "the angel of the LORD" - messenger of God (v2) but then when Moses turned aside to see God called unto him. So was the angel (messenger) sent to start the "flame of fire" to get Moses' attention so God could/would speak to him?

Exodus 3:4 . . . . God called unto him out of the midst of the bush. . . . .

3:6. . .I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. . . . .

 

[Jase]

I'm intersted in understanding Who Moses talked with?

Is there any Scriptural evidence for one or the other in the trinity doctrine?

Or is John saying that The Father and Jesus are the same Individual for lack of a better expression?

I'm looking at and for Scriptural evidence. You can provide anything elseyou like but only with support meaning you can use things outside the Bible. I just want to know what you base your idea on.

Well, since Moses is part of the Old Testament, there was no such thing in the Tanakh regarding any Trinity or Jesus, so the only scriptural conclusion is God.

 

[David64]

Moses did make it into the promised land, kind of.

Matt.17:2, "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And behold there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him."

That was a vision not reality although it is a forgone conclusion that both Moses and Elijah will be in God's Kingdom when Christ returns.

It was Jesus Christ who spoke to Moses at the burning bush, so I would suppose it was Jesus Christ, the Son of God who spoke to Moses as he hid in the rocks.

Actually He was not the Son of God yet He was the Word, the one that was with God and was also God from eternity.

Moses wanted to see Him in his glorified body. No man can look upon either the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit, in their holy natural state as spirit creatures, unless they are vailed in flesh.

Yet even in this glorified state, Moses saw the backside of God, and to Moses, God still had the form of a man. My answer, Jesus Christ, our Lord, and God.

Phil LaSpino

 

[Kristos]

When you consider the narrative through the lens of the NT, it seems clear that it was the Son. The Lord - kurios, the "IAM" - ego eimi. These titles are assumed by Jesus Christ and it seems clear that the application of the titles to Him Himself shows that it was indeed Him in the OT.

 

[David64]

Well, since Moses is part of the Old Testament, there was no such thing in the Tanakh regarding any Trinity or Jesus, so the only scriptural conclusion is God.

The trinity has nothing to do with this.

Jesus told us that no one had ever seen the Father or heard His voice.

The Word, the Spoksman of the godhead, was the one dealing with the people of the OT.

Jesus claimed to be the I Am of the OT and is said to be that Rock that followed them in the wilderness.

This is sabbath school stuff for little ones.

 

[LaSpino3]

From Scratch, Patience 7 has it right. I will expand on her comments. Taken from my web-site, www.seekfirstwisdom.com

The Greek Definite Article, "The, this, that," originally a demonstrative pronoun, but in Attic Greek, and in later usage mostly a prepositive article, (the," meaning the one and only, no other.)

1. As a demonstrative pronoun, "this, that."

1-a. Skimpily once in the words cited from the poet Aratus, Acts 17:28, "For we are also his offspring," for of this one (him,) we are also the offspring."

Jesus in the O.T. is at times referred to as, "The Angel of the LORD," or "Angel of Jehovah." Meaning He is revealing the will of His Father, as the #1 messenger. This appearance is called a, "Theophany," meaning "God appearing."

If you see, "An angel of the Lord," An, being an indefinite article, meaning more than one, it is making reference to other angels, or people.

The angel of God, is a title and office of Jesus, when He would temporally manifest Himself in a visible form in the O.T. Example:

Moses at the burning bush, Ex.3:2, "The angel of the LORD appeared unto him = (Moses) in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush."

Ver. 4, now the angel of the LORD is called, "The LORD saw that he (Moses) turned aside, and see this great sight."

Then Scripture states, that it was God who called unto him = (Moses) out of the midst of the bush.

Then the voice said in

ver.5, "I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

Ver.7, "The LORD said." ver.8, "I am come down."

ver.14, "God said unto Moses, I Am that I Am."

Read through chap.4. So in this one example of the burning bush, the angel is called, The angel of the LORD, the LORD, God, and, I Am, that I Am. These are all offices, titles, and attributes of our Lord Jesus.

The LORD appeared to Abram many times. In Gen.21, Hagar the mother of Ishmael heard the voice of, "the angel of God," who said, "I will make him = (Ishmael) a great nation."

Judg.13:3, Zorah the mother of Sampson, had an encounter with the angel of the LORD. Also Judg.13:11-13-22-23, "Manoah (the father of Sampson) said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God." Then his wife said, "if the LORD were pleased to kill us, He would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands."

ver.19, where the angel of the LORD ate their offering with them. These are only a few examples of those who had physical, up close encounters with Jesus, "The angel of the LORD," in the O.T.

Hope this helps you.

Phil LaSpino

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So do you have some Scripture to show that it was Jesus who spoke to Moses in the burning bush? I'm looking for Scripture that backs your idea. I'm really interested in anything prior to the burning bush in this case.

That is casually mentioned in Acts 7.
Would make for an interesting thread

Acts 7:30 And of being filled years, forty, was seen to him in the wilderness of the mount Sinai a Messenger of Lord, in a flame of fire of a bush
38 This is the one-becoming in the Out-Called/ekklhsia <1577> in the wilderness with the Messenger, the one speaking to him in the Mount Sinai, and with our fathers who receives oracles/words, living, to give to us.
[Luke 16:24]

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16:24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me that I am being anguished/pained in the flame this."
[Matthew 3:9/Acts 7:30-38]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The trinity has nothing to do with this.

Jesus told us that no one had ever seen the Father or heard His voice.

The Word, the Spoksman of the godhead, was the one dealing with the people of the OT.

Jesus claimed to be the I Am of the OT and is said to be that Rock that followed them in the wilderness.

This is sabbath school stuff for little ones.

Yes, Jesus is referred to that back in the OT/OC
Btw, what do you mean by "sabbath school stuff"

 

[Jase]

The trinity has nothing to do with this.

Jesus told us that no one had ever seen the Father or heard His voice.

The Word, the Spoksman of the godhead, was the one dealing with the people of the OT.

Jesus claimed to be the I Am of the OT and is said to be that Rock that followed them in the wilderness.

This is sabbath school stuff for little ones.

Sabbath school stuff? They don't teach Jesus or incarnation in "Sabbath school", whatever that is (I'm assuming you mean Hebrew School). Plenty of people have seen God, just not in his fully glorified form. God usually appeared to people in the Old Testament through an angel or other medium (Burning Bush).

Exodus 3:2 There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.


The Word is not an angel.


The references to Moses seeing God's face are not literal, otherwise you have a contradiction just in Exodus alone.