Jesus vs Paul, law abolishment. A simple answer, from a frog.

[LittleLambofJesus]

Where was the flaw found in the OC?

I don't think there was a flaw in it, it is just that they couldn't keep it

Hebrews 8:8 "For faulting/memfomenoV <3201> (5740 them, He is saying 'behold, days are coming' is saying Lord
'and I shall-be-together-finishing upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a New Covenant
[Jerem 31:31.32]

3201. memphomai mem'-fom-ahee middle voice of an apparently primary verb; to blame:--find fault.

 

[Yab Yum]

flawed . in that it did not suit the audience .

Cite?

 

[Yab Yum]

Since there was this flaw ...

Cite?

 

[Yab Yum]

Yeah, great, you succeeded in making sin no longer sinful-just what the world needs.

That's precisely what the world needs. Otherwise what is forgiveness? Forgiveness turns my sin-thing into a no-thing.

 

[from scratch]

Where was the flaw found in the OC?

To say there was a flaw not planned by God is to say that God doesn't know what He's doing. That wouldn't make sense if Jesus was slain from before the foundation of the world.

Please consider this verse and read the whole Bible in light of it - For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

 

[from scratch]

Cite?

Pardon my pun. There was nothing God didn't design with a purpose. And God designeed the covenant and the 10 Cs to be broken - Romans 11:32. Yeppers God used the Isrealites. Personally I'm thrillled it was them and not me. Also I'm thrilled beyond my wildest imagination about the reuslts. It allows me to have the relationship with God as He desired upon creation. I was selected and purchased with His dear Son's blood right out of the market place - Eph 1:14.

 

[from scratch]

Yeah, great, you succeeded in making sin no longer sinful-just what the world needs.

So you don't understand.

 

[Yab Yum]

until...until....gal 3;19, he fixed it until.....

What on earth are you all talking about? There is no "flaw" in the OC that needs to be "fixed" by the NC. That's like saying a flower needs to fix its own seed. The law is the "seed" that would come to its fruition on the cross.

 

[from scratch]

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Oh it matters a lot but since you don't know how you don't care.
God fixed it alright but there again you don't know what He did to fix the flaw, so you make up what you think He did.
It's better than fun it's a most wonderful thing to understand

No I think it matters that God fixed this flaw because He didn't know what He was doing.After all we're just an experiment. This so called design flaw was done on purpose and for a purpose by God. It wasn't a boo-boo. The NT show this in more than one place. Besides you haven't or won't consider ISA 28:10 concerning the matter. The covenants really are about salvation based on the promise of Gen 3:15.

 

[from scratch]

What on earth are you all talking about? There is no "flaw" in the OC that needs to be "fixed" by the NC. That's like saying a flower needs to fix its own seed. The law is the "seed" that would come to its fruition on the cross.

I thought I've heard some funny things. Please explain how the Seed of the woman is the law. This should be very interesting.

 

[Yab Yum]

the Seed of the woman is the law.

Sorry, what? I think the reason this does not compute is because I didn't say it.

 

[from scratch]

To me saying the law is abolished is kind of like saying the child "abolishes" his mother when he is born. Doesn't the cross reveal the essential nature of the law, which is forgiveness? The child is not the mother, he is different. But at the same time he honors her by revealing her final purpose.

1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

Mat 6:14 "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
Mat 6:15 "But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

I'm wondering where the idea the nature of the law is forgiveness comes from. Could please explain?

 

[from scratch]

That isn't the essential nature of the law, that is the outward appearance of the law. The essential nature of the law is the same as the essential nature of God, which was revealed in one place and time only - on the cross. On the cross all the curses and blessings evaporate the same moment they arise because only there they are revealed to be what they truly are - of the nature of forgiveness.

Forgiveness is a no-morality which dissolves all moralities when they arise because the true essential nature of all moralities - the thing toward which they all point, the thing which is their final end, the thing towards which they arise and into which they find their fulfillment, the thing which they signify, the thing which they reveal, is forgiveness.

What?

 

[from scratch]

Sorry, what? I think the reason this does not compute is because I didn't say it.

I 've never heard anything funnier than the law being called the Seed of the woman. I'm obviously referring to Gen 3:15. In this case the seed is not from the male but the female. This explains how Jesus became man or rather took upon Himself the form of man showing Him to be the second Adam (Jesus the God-man) was came into being without sin. God was and is His Father and not fallen Adam. Why is this important? Inheritance comes through the male. It is still demonstrated yet today even in our culture.

 

[Yab Yum]

Personally I'm thrillled it was them and not me. Also I'm thrilled beyond my wildest imagination about the reuslts.

Rom 11:19 Then you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
Rom 11:20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
Rom 11:22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

 

[Yab Yum]

I'm wondering where the idea the nature of the law is forgiveness comes from. Could please explain?

It comes from the cross - Jesus' perfect obedience to the law leads to the cross which is a revelation of the nature of God, which is - forgiveness.

 

[David64]

No I think it matters that God fixed this flaw because He didn't know what He was doing.After all we're just an experiment. This so called design flaw was done on purpose and for a purpose by God. It wasn't a boo-boo. The NT show this in more than one place. Besides you haven't or won't consider ISA 28:10 concerning the matter. The covenants really are about salvation based on the promise of Gen 3:15.

You have to be kidding. That is too funny.
The Isa. 28:10 concept is what I've been leading you toward all this time.
Of all the scriptures in all the world you had to pick that one.
And Gen. 3:15 is about Christ defeating Satan not doing away with God's Law.
Please stop my side is hurting.

 

[Frogster]

What on earth are you all talking about? There is no "flaw" in the OC that needs to be "fixed" by the NC. That's like saying a flower needs to fix its own seed. The law is the "seed" that would come to its fruition on the cross.

Fault is fault, and since they, the people, were a part, it was a faulted cov, that is why the new cov, the promises are dependent on God. That was also the Pauline theme in Gal 3;18, and Rm 4:14-15. Now it is all about God, not us, no law, we can't be trqansgressors, by way of guilt, or imputation, 4;15.



Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

 

[Frogster]

What on earth are you all talking about? There is no "flaw" in the OC that needs to be "fixed" by the NC. That's like saying a flower needs to fix its own seed. The law is the "seed" that would come to its fruition on the cross.

dontcha get it? Grace, no longer about man..that was the whole point of promise...guaranteed..key word, it is not guaranteed under law, the promise is God centered, not man, like the old cov...

16That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You have to be kidding. That is too funny.
The Isa. 28:10 concept is what I've been leading you toward all this time.
Of all the scriptures in all the world you had to pick that one.
And Gen. 3:15 is about Christ defeating Satan not doing away with God's Law.
Please stop my side is hurting.

What does defeating Satan have to do with taking away/abolishing God's Law

Hebrews 2:14 Therefore then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, and He in like manner did partake to the same.
That thru the Death He might take-away the one having the power of the Death, that is the Devil

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

John 8:44 "Ye out of a father the Devil are, and the desires of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing".