Devil's Dictionary of Evolution

[Loudmouth]

It's more accurate to say life can occur.

Yes, when the sun has used all its nuclear fuel, life in the solar system will be impossible. When the universe has reached maximum entropy (heat death), then life anywhere in the universe will be impossible.

Now, if somewhere an environment stabilizes and remains stable, then evolution will stop whether the sun still shines or not. You see, evolution has some requirements above and beyond the existence of living organisms.

Sure, if you want to nit pick it. I could also point to the original analogy and say that the lightbulb could produce light assuming that the metal element is still connected across the anode and cathode, and that the battery terminals are not oxidized. I was simplifying a bit, but the meat of the explanation is still accurate.

 

[Greg1234]

How so? Atheists can have faith as well, it just doesn't involve a supernatural deity.

Ok I'll bite. Define material/physical/natural.

 

[Loudmouth]

Ok I'll bite. Define material/physical/natural.

All three words have a commonality. The material, physical natural world is something we can objectively (or intersubjectively as lucaspa has described elsewhere) measure and observe through our physical senses.

 

[Greg1234]

All three words have a commonality. The material, physical natural world is something we can objectively (or intersubjectively as lucaspa has described elsewhere) measure and observe through our physical senses.

So by your def. before the cell was detected by modern man it was supernatural or God. Now that you can detect the cell (supernatural or God) you now believe in the cell (supernatural or God). So why do you continue to ask for evidence for God?

 

[Loudmouth]

So by your def. before the cell was detected by modern man it was supernatural or God.

Nope. The cell was always available for measurement and observation through our physical senses. The cell was never supernatural according to my definition. Here is the definition I used:

"The material, physical natural world is something we can objectively (or intersubjectively as lucaspa has described elsewhere) measure and observe through our physical senses."

Now that you can detect the cell (supernatural or God) you now believe in the cell (supernatural or God).

I don't need to believe that the cell exists. I have the objective measurement and observation that the cell does exist.

So how can we gather objective mesurements and observations of the supernatural and God?

So why do you continue to ask for evidence for God?

To drive home the point that you have none, to show that creationism is a religious belief with no scientific content whatsoever.

 

[Greg1234]

Nope. The cell was always available for measurement and observation through our physical senses.

In the middle ages?

Ok I missed the word available. So how did we know that the cell was available for detection?

You define the natural/material/physical as that which is available but undetected correct?

 

[Loudmouth]

In the middle ages?

Are you saying that if someone built a microscope in the middle ages that they would not have been able to see cells?

 

[Greg1234]

Are you saying that if someone built a microscope in the middle ages that they would not have been able to see cells?

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