Holiness

[11822]

That is because we're on different levels. You pursue the natural wan we peusue the spiritual. Spiritual thing are only understood spiritually. You'reclearly not following the Spirit as noted by your confession above.

2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Yes scratch, you are on a higher level than me, i'm down here trying my hardest to stay here.

 

[ForceofTime]

The holy law is good if used lawfully . humans cannot use the law lawfully, so another covenant was necessary . the law is obsolete .

Amen the letter of the law died on the cross; but did the "weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith" die too, or were they resurrected in Christ? I believe the latter, that the "righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in" me in Christ Jesus.

 

[fhansen]

You're saying all 3 are the same thing, but there seems to be a distinction:

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." (Rev 22:11)

I don't know but I think John's simply emphasizing the same point by wording it in more than one way. To be unjust is to be filthy, to be righteous is to be holy, to be just/pure is to be righteous/holy. JMO.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Amen the letter of the law died on the cross; but did the "weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith" die too, or were they resurrected in Christ? I believe the latter, that the "righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in" me in Christ Jesus.

The weightier matters point to the foundation of the new building .

the law is just a shadow of that building .

 

[visionary]

Shadow indicates there is a solid to cast the shadow.. if you see the shadow you get some idea of the mass.

 

[from scratch]

2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Yes scratch, you are on a higher level than me, i'm down here trying my hardest to stay here.

I would pull you up to my level if yo would allow. But you would rather fight.

 

[from scratch]

Shadow indicates there is a solid to cast the shadow.. if you see the shadow you get some idea of the mass.

Ordinarily yes. In the case of relationship to God or spiritual matters no.

 

[from scratch]

If i follow the teaching of Ephesians, i am following after spiritual things and not the flesh right? Apparently those Christians that the letter of Ephesians was addressed to still wanted to sin, the author had to straiten them out. I don't like being judged and i don't like getting hard nosed with someone when i'm trying to control my tongue. But sometimes you just got to straiten people out when they judge you. Especially when they are wrong.

So straighten us out. I think your just expressing things to get your way. We have given you permission to have it your way for you. We aren't about to give you permission to enslave uf to your bondage and level of pain and woe war. Most of us have fought that one one once upon a time.

 

[from scratch]

i just believe what the bible says:

Psalms 119:172(NKJV)
172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

Saying hi to de wabbit. Long time no see um.

 

[from scratch]

Here we have Paul telling brethren, not heathens, to not live after the flesh. He is telling them to mortify the deeds of the flesh. Is Paul not spiritual? Is He an enemy of the Cross? I don't think so.

Are you answering both questions with that one statement? Oh I having a little problem with the negative manner of statement here. Of course Paul is on a spiritual plane.

Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Gal_5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit

Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

And those who demand the performance of the flesh according to the law are sowing in the flesh and will reap corruption just like you said.

 

[from scratch]

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Maybe this is why i like the law. Because it exposes sin and i think i show love for God by not sinning, the law helps me do this.

To your verse, but your comments don't fit them. It is most unfortunate that you don't understand what the verse says enough to apply them to your life.

 

[from scratch]

Be wise, know what the will of the Lord is, that's what Paul says.


Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Your qupte covers alot of ground. But NTL I think for the thread and forum in general my attitude is expressed very vell in verse 6 above. And I certianly apply verses 15 and 17 as you have bolded.

Now I'm deffinately a follower of Christ. Nothing in verse 3 is manifest in my life. And when it comes to my relationship with God I'm certianly not light. I do enjoy a good joke, but I don't think that Paul is saying don't have any fun in life.

What do you give thanks for? The last Thanksgiving themed religious assembly I was in everybody including the pastor gave thanks for temporal thing and not one single person gave thanks for their salvation. I find it amazing. The supposed reason for the assembly was left out. Has God become the excuxe and not the reason.

 

[from scratch]

That's some good teaching from a good teacher.

Depends on who your referring to as the teacher. If it is Paul through the Holy Spirit I agree.

 

[from scratch]

Php 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.


2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Nice posts of Scripture. But I do wonder why your posting them with the emphasis by bolding if you're not also preaching and in this case condemning others while upholding yourself. That is a no fly.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Saying hi to de wabbit. Long time no see um.

hi scratch!

like your knew avatar!

 

[from scratch]

2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Yes scratch, you are on a higher level than me, i'm down here trying my hardest to stay here.

Amazing! simplly amazing I say amazing. This vividly demonstrates that you're here for something other than personal growth or the helpin of others. But you're providing a wonderful opportunity for the truth to be expressed.

You can stay down trodden and discouraged if you like. Personally I don't much care for misery and self debasement behavior.

I'm past my time limit as usual this morning, but I must go to town for business. Later folks.

 

[Frogster]

Shadow indicates there is a solid to cast the shadow.. if you see the shadow you get some idea of the mass.

u would have a hard time in Hebrews or Col proving that the writer uses shadow in a positive manner.

 

[Frogster]

I don't know but I think John's simply emphasizing the same point by wording it in more than one way. To be unjust is to be filthy, to be righteous is to be holy, to be just/pure is to be righteous/holy. JMO.

It is all about the "how'..no, we don't want to kill people, or steal, or do other unsavory acts, but the how, is to put off the old man, that had sin, and flesh, and law in IT, and to be in the new man, created by God, not us, in holiness, eph 4.

Good morning.

You just gotta under stand resurrection, as per Paul's emphasis, as to the how, in Rom 6, Col 3;1, Col 2:12, Eph 2;6, Phil 3, etc.

All died in adam, then the law hit IT>>IT>, Adam's children, arousing sin, Rom 7:5, but the law can't hit the second Adam's children. That is why we can never be under law, because he condemened sin, in THAT old creation order, Rom 8:3.

 

[Frogster]

If i follow the teaching of Ephesians, i am following after spiritual things and not the flesh right? Apparently those Christians that the letter of Ephesians was addressed to still wanted to sin, the author had to straiten them out. I don't like being judged and i don't like getting hard nosed with someone when i'm trying to control my tongue. But sometimes you just got to straiten people out when they judge you. Especially when they are wrong.

was the law the answer in eph? he just got done calling it abolished, so how was law the answer? Again, we put off the old..try to understand that is what happened when u got saved, you died...you were raised, now just stay raised for crying out loud.

 

[Frogster]

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

There's that word righteousness again.

my dear bro, you get this in your spirit, you will see how elemental law is..


Colossians 3:3
For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.