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Mr. Pedantic said:
For those who ponder the wonders of God's creation, the Fact of God's existence and His sustaining power existent in the universe is a self-evident truth.
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I don't suppose you could cite any specific examples? Stating that something is self-evident is a cheap answer that belies a lack of any real substance - I could quite easily stated that God's non-existence if self-evident, but that's hardly a convincing answer, is it.
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No, seriously, where is he? Electrical circuits in the sky do not a conciousness make.
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That's like saying "Michael where are you? Electrical circuits in your brain do not a consciousness make!" How exactly would you expect me to answer that question?
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It would be nice if you could trust Christianity, but we are told to do the will of the Father in Heaven.
Can we trust the church to tell us what the will of the Father in Heaven is?
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Our Father which are in heaven, Hallowed be your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread.12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For your is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if you forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
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I wonder why some people are blind and do not see God as a self-evident truth.
"All of creation bears witness to the Greatness of God!"
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You know what, you're right!
I'm gonna bow down right now and praise the obvious and self-evident Creator!
Excuse me while I find my nearest one of these:
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That could be used as an answer for any other question about the natural world. It's not a valid answer for those questions, and it isn't for this one.
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Allah u akbar! (I love the sound of this)You know what, you're right!
I'm gonna bow down right now and praise the obvious and self-evident Creator!
Excuse me while I find my nearest one of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUHDYlJHaOQ&feature=related
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Because we know the meaning of "self-evident" and know that that God does not meet the criteria?
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But I already answered THAT question.
He's everywhere. From my perspective it's exactly like asking me "where is the universe"?Now I expect empirical evidence of his whereabouts!
Go stand in the sunshine today. You'll feel his warmth on your skin.
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That's a bit of an irony overload from my perspective since no one has provided an example of trillions of working circuits that aren't A) part of a living organism, or B) an intelligently designed piece of equipment, both of which falsify "atheism" since both would imply/require preexisting intelligence.
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Let's enumerate all the ways in which this argument is circular.
The first part assumes that the universe - which you would consider "an example of trillions of working circuits" - is A or B. Then the second part assumes that A and B require intelligence.
Both of your assumptions are part of your conclusion, that all these "circuits" are evidence of God.
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