Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

[Montalban]

1- dude, you will judge Islam from the doings of Muslims !!! , will it be fair if i judged Christianity from the homosexual cases that happened with pastors in church ? !!

That's exactly what I said not to do.

I don't know what your objection is. You call citing translations backed by experts as 'twisitng the meaning of the verse'???

No wonder God is not al-Lah

 

[Usama.Egyptian]

That's exactly what I said not to do.

I don't know what your objection is. You call citing translations backed by experts as 'twisitng the meaning of the verse'???

No wonder God is not al-Lah

1- i meant you are trying to twist the meaning. The right word is Ally (as try to make union in WAR with Christians against other Muslims) not friendships.

2- it's totally different situation here.
well if you went to any mosque around the whole world
UK , USA , Russia , India , KSA , Egypt
You will find Only One "regular prayer Call" which is in arabic
you will find Only One way of regular Prayer within the Quran is being recited in Arabic
Quran must be recited in Arabic through prayer and Muslims has to learn some of it, not all in order to pray.
and if you noticed for any english books of quran you will find it's written "translation of the holy Quran" ..not the Holy Quran only , Quran is just One Arabic Book whenever and wherever.




if you believe that The God of Islam is different than Yahweh.

tell us what is the main difference between the Faith "belief" of the Old testament and the Holy quran (notice i only mentioned the Faith)
1- Quran urging poeple to believe in One God same like Tourah
2- Quran urging people to believe in All prophets of Jews (Abraham , Ishmael , Isaac , Jacob, Job , Daniel , David, Salomon, Ilia the prophet , Joshuah, Moses) same like tourah of Moses
3- Quran urging people to believe God is our creator and he is the One created Heavens and all the universe same like Tourah.
4- Quran is even telling us about the miracle of Moses in Egypt in details and same like Tourh (God was always reminding Jews of what he have done for them to make them believe).

i named to you many similarities
tell me some differences then.

Next Post i will show you so many verses that assuring that God of Tourah "Yahweh" is the same God of Holy Quran "Allah"
Waiting to prove that God of Tourah is different than Allah the one who delivered the Holy quran for us.

 

[Montalban]

That's what I said beforer. I didn't twist it. I cited three translations and expert opinion.

They could be wrong. I could then be wrong in citing them.

Persnonalising this and saying it's something I'm doing means I'm done.

 

[Montalban]

Moslems themselves claim we have 'partners' for their god.

Clearly then they themselves think we're worshipping a different being.

 

[Truth Will Prevail]

You do know that Arabic Christians say Allah, when they pray to god right?

So if the Hindu's spoke Aramaic and said the word Allah every time they prayed to their god then that must mean that they worship the same God as the Muslims, by your own reasoning?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rasta You do know that Arabic Christians say Allah, when they pray to god right?

So if the Hindu's spoke Aramaic and said the word Allah every time they prayed to their god then that must mean that they worship the same God as the Muslims, by your own reasoning?

What word would a Christian Hindu use for Yaweh?

 

[brinny]

What word would a Christian Hindu use for Yaweh?

hmmmm....good question.

 

[chris4243]

I think God and God (that's Allah translated to English) are supposed to be the same being. Just like Catholics, Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, and the various Protestant denominations, and the Jews and the Muslims, all claim to worship the God of Abraham. But most certainly these groups have different ideas of God's character, and so in a sense could be considered either to worship a different God or to be mistaken about their own God's character.

 

[brinny]

I think God and God (that's Allah translated to English) are supposed to be the same being. Just like Catholics, Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, and the various Protestant denominations, and the Jews and the Muslims, all claim to worship the God of Abraham. But most certainly these groups have different ideas of God's character, and so in a sense could be considered either to worship a different God or to be mistaken about their own God's character.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I think God and God (that's Allah translated to English) are supposed to be the same being. Just like Catholics, Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, and the various Protestant denominations, and the Jews and the Muslims, all claim to worship the God of Abraham. But most certainly these groups have different ideas of God's character, and so in a sense could be considered either to worship a different God or to be mistaken about their own God's character.

The word for God is "elohiym" if I am not mistaken.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Job 1:6 And was the day and are coming sons-of the-Elohiym to station themselves on YHVH.
And moreover the Satan is coming in midst of them.

Exodus 7:1 And YHVW is saying unto Mosheh "see! I give thee as Elohiym to Par`oh, and 'Aharown thy brother shall be thy prophet;

Mark 14:53 And they led Jesus away toward the chief-priest,
and are coming together to Him all the chief-priests, and the elders, and the scribes;

 

[brinny]

i believe you are correct, sir.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

i believe you are correct, sir.

Well, the Muslims of course have a different view of Jesus than Christians do [the Jews of course do not view Jesus as their Messiah].

They view Muhammed as being more like unto Moses than Jesus ehehe

http://www.christianforums.com/t702036-22/#post8206794

Mohammad(Pbuh) is more like Moses(Pbuh), Jesus(Pbuh) is more unlike Moses(Pbuh)

 

[brinny]

Well, the Muslims of course have a different view of Jesus than Christians do [the Jews of course do not view Jesus as their Messiah].

They view Muhammed as being more like unto Moses than Jesus ehehe

http://www.christianforums.com/t702036-22/#post8206794

Mohammad(Pbuh) is more like Moses(Pbuh), Jesus(Pbuh) is more unlike Moses(Pbuh)

Yet Muhammed was flawed, and seriously so, was he not?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yet Muhammed was flawed, and seriously so, was he not?

Perhaps.
But far be it for me to speak against their prophet.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
Yet Muhammed was flawed, and seriously so, was he not?

Perhaps.
But far be it for me to speak against their prophet.

However, if Muhammed is being claimed to be a messiah, it stands to reason that he be examined. For if it is the truth, then scrutiny should not be a threat, but should be welcomed. It would behoove us all to examine one that is called a messiah.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

I think God and God (that's Allah translated to English) are supposed to be the same being. Just like Catholics, Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, and the various Protestant denominations, and the Jews and the Muslims, all claim to worship the God of Abraham. But most certainly these groups have different ideas of God's character, and so in a sense could be considered either to worship a different God or to be mistaken about their own God's character.

There is a reason why we claim that God of the Scripture and Allah from the Qu'ran are not the same God...and I'm a Christian so you already know that I believe only one exist...

Here is one of the biggest contradictions between the two:

Matthew 3:13-17
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”​

The Qu'ran claims:

The Cave 18:1-18:5
Praise be to god who have revealed the Book to his servant shorn of falsehood and unswerving from the truth, so that he may give warning of a dire scourge from himself, proclaim to the faithful who do good works that a rich and everlasting reward awaits them, and admonish those who say that god has begotten a son. Surely of this they could have no knowledge, neither they nor their fathers: a monstrous blasphemy is that which they utter. They preach nothing but falsehood.

Pretty contradictory don't you think?
One God claim that He has a Son and one claims that if one say that he has a Son it is considered blasphemy and that those who say it is admonish".

For the Christian, this is our confession:

1 John 4:12-16
12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.​

There is no way to mistake the matter. The Qu'ran has other verses that claim that it is blasphemy if we claim that Jesus is the Son of God, but the Scripture tells us that if we don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God that we are condemned already. I'll side with the God of the Scripture.

 

[brinny]

There is a reason why we claim that God of the Scripture and Allah from the Qu'ran are not the same God...and I'm a Christian so you already know that I believe only one exist...

Here is one of the biggest contradictions between the two:

Matthew 3:13-17
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”​

The Qu'ran claims:

Pretty contradictory don't you think?
One God claim that He has a Son and one claims that if one say that he has a Son it is considered blasphemy and that those who say it is admonish".

For the Christian, this is our confession:

1 John 4:12-16
12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.​

There is no way to mistake the matter. The Qu'ran has other verses that claim that it is blasphemy if we claim that Jesus is the Son of God, but the Scripture tells us that if we don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God that we are condemned already. I'll side with the God of the Scripture.

Thank you for sharing this. I agree, there is no way to mistake the matter. It is clear. Amen.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

However, if Muhammed is being claimed to be a messiah, it stands to reason that he be examined. For if it is the truth, then scrutiny should not be a threat, but should be welcomed. It would behoove us all to examine one that is called a messiah.

From what I understand, they also believe the "paraklete" is Muhammad.
Tis amazing how much of our Christian NT/NC of the Bible the Muslims use to confirm their own prophet ehehe

http://www.christianforums.com/t2822562-18/#post22867225
Who was the parakletos Promised to in NT

Mughammed(p) is this paraclete. Sorry guys.

 

[PHenry42]

Thank you for sharing this. I agree, there is no way to mistake the matter. It is clear. Amen.

Then I take it you also think that Jews worship a different god than you do. They don't recognise Jesus as being God either.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Then I take it you also think that Jews worship a different god than you do. They don't recognise Jesus as being God either.

That does appear to be a sticky point between Christianity and Islam/Judaism

http://www.christianforums.com/t7584798/
Is Jesus the Jehovah of O.T.?

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear thou! Yisra'el-- YHVH, Elohiym of us, YHVH one. [Mark 12:29]

Mark 12:29 The yet Jesus answered him "that first of all the commandments 'be thou hearing! Israel-- LORD, the God of us, LORD one is'". [Deut 6:4]