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Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

  • Yes they are

  • No, They aren't

  • They are similar, but not the same


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Montalban

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Did these Jews read the Qu'ran or were they just repeating what others have made the claim that everyone is worshiping the same God but different paths that lead to Him?

The Koran is full of vile statements about the Jews. I'd be amazed if a practicing Jew reading the Koran would be saying "Yes, that's my God"
 
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I don't maintain that anything you call god is my God. Else you can, in theory, worship a stone and say it is the only god and that all who worship one god worship that stone. That's where your logic leads.

Also, are you saying my mum can't become your mother too?
Funny that. You've just thrown out thousands of years on the notion of adoption.

Did you have a look to at my analogy - re: football?

Straw man. I never said that they are the same simply because the same word is used.

Do you think that Allah is an entity that actually exists and is separate from your god?
 
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Yes God is One

Yahweah is the Hebrew word that God defined him for children of isreal

Allah is the Arabic word that God defined himself in the Holy quran

Abraham himself , Isaac and Jacob never knew the word JEHOVAH
here is the proof

2. And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I {cf15I am} the LORD:
3. And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by {cf15I the name of} God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
4. And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.

Exodus 6

should we say that Abraham didn't worship JEHOVAH ? !!

God is One .. different names because of different languages, different generations, but One Faith and different books leading to the same belief
 
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For the most part I agree.

However in Islam you can, potentially, be good your entire life and al-Lah may still not 'reward' you. It's totally up to his arbitrary whim.

In Chrisitanity God knows us by our deeds and by our love we unite with him. We become part of him. He doesn't reject what is his.

You are right, mind you - spot on. I now remember that loophole.
 
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Straw man. I never said that they are the same simply because the same word is used.
What's you reasoning then?
Do you think that Allah is an entity that actually exists and is separate from your god?

Just as you think that jinn are different creatures from your god.
 
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First of all i want to say that word JEHOVAH is incorrect by Hebrew dictionary,
Hebrew word for God is YHWH and in English Yahweh, Which means "I am that I am",
Yahweh is a unique name of God in Old testament by which God of Hosts introduce Himself on the people of Isreal.

and Allah is not same word for God of Israel, Yahweh. Allah has not giving proper meaning of Yahweh.

but we must respect God of Islam Allah.because their concept God is one and God is alone, that is true.

but people also must know the mystery and depth of the Name of Jesus Christ,

that is
John,5-3
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not, if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Amen
God bless you

 
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The Koran is full of vile statements about the Jews. I'd be amazed if a practicing Jew reading the Koran would be saying "Yes, that's my God"

Yeah, vile statements like the ones where it says that the Jews have lost favour with God because of their constant sinning and transgression. Just like the later Jewish prophets did. If the Quran's statements about Jews are vile, then the Tanakh must surely be the most radically antisemitic text ever written :D
 
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What's you reasoning then?

Get back to my original post and read it, and see what I actually said rather than construct a strawman of my position.

Just as you think that jinn are different creatures from your god.

So you actually believe Allah exists, then. What he is exactly, in your cosmology?
 
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Yeah, vile statements like the ones where it says that the Jews have lost favour with God because of their constant sinning and transgression. Just like the later Jewish prophets did. If the Quran's statements about Jews are vile, then the Tanakh must surely be the most radically antisemitic text ever written

It's one thing for a Jew to recognise that he has erred than for another people to come along and say that they are the worst deceivers on earth - and that you shouldn't have them as a close friend.

I don't know why Moslems have this attachment for tu quoque, that if you say something bad about them that they say something bad about themselves too. Maybe Islam can only operate in relation to other faiths???

In this case anyway, it's a false comparison: I point out something Islam STILL PROFESSES about the Jews and you want to hint that on occasion the Jews realised that they were in error and punished by God.

It's like
M: I've made some mistakes in my life
You: Montalban, you are the vilest creature on earth cursed always by my god al-Lah

They are not the same type of statement.
 
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Get back to my original post and read it, and see what I actually said rather than construct a strawman of my position.
You keep saying it's a straw-man now you direct me to go research this for you because you won't answer. Hmmmmmm!


So you actually believe Allah exists, then. What he is exactly, in your cosmology?

He's a created who fell from heaven being opposed to God.
 
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So people who worship an idol as their god are worshipping al-Lah?


God is the One defined himself as the following :

No one is like you, O LORD; you are great, and your name is mighty in power. Jeremiah 10:6
“Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all the remnant of the house of Israel, who have been borne by me from before your birth, carried from the womb;
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"To whom will you compare me or count me equal? To whom will you liken me that we may be compared? Isaiah 46:3/5
"For He is not a man as I am that I may answer Him, That we may go to court together. Job 9:32

in the Holy Quran : [He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.042.011

God of Abraham , Jacob, Isaac , David , Daniel , Ishmael , Solomon , Moses, Jesus and Mohamed
all those prophets are mentioned in Quran and it's a must that we do believe in all prophets came before Mohamed.
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Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

 
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The Koran is full of vile statements about the Jews. I'd be amazed if a practicing Jew reading the Koran would be saying "Yes, that's my God"

read this please :
Matthew 3
7. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

Matthew 12
34. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.


Matthew 23
33. You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?


so what if a jewish read the holy bible ? !!
 
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read this please :
Matthew 3
7. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

Matthew 12
34. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.


Matthew 23
33. You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?


so what if a jewish read the holy bible ? !!

I already answered this.

There's nothing in our holy texts saying that I can't be friends with a Jew, or preventing my daughter marrying one, or saying that a Jews testimony is worth less than a Christians.

Try again. Good luck!

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I already answered this.

There's nothing in our holy texts saying that I can't be friends with a Jew, or preventing my daughter marrying one, or saying that a Jews testimony is worth less than a Christians.


Try again. Good luck!


:wave:


well you can be friends with jews that's all up to you but you miss a point here: Mathew 27 25. All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"

second who told you that it's not legal in Islam to marry Jewish or Christian. in Islam it's acceptable to marry either christian or a jewish. but it's not accepted to marry a non-Abrahamatic religion (only Christianity and Judaism
 
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well you can be friends with jews that's all up to you but you miss a point here: Mathew 27 25. All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"

What's with the random quotes? What do you think they mean? How are they relevant?

Here's what Islam says explicitly on the matter...
Translations of the Qur'an, Chapter 5:
AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html

Now, if you think that this verse is taken out of context, let's hear from some Moslem experts
"Question: Does not brotherhood extend to all of mankind because it is established that Aadam was the forefather of everyone?

Response: This is not so. There is no doubt that everyone is from the offspring of Aadam but we do not say, "This is my brother," when referring to a disbeliever meaning by that within the brotherhood of man. We can only refer to him as brother when there is a relationship by descent or lineage.
MISCELLANEOUS \ Muslim Minorities \ The brotherhood of man

Sunni commentator Ibn Kathir explained that "believers that fear for their safety from the unbelievers... are allowed to show friendship to the unbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly".
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is not permissible for a Muslim man or woman to take a male or female friend who is not a Muslim, because Allaah has forbidden us to love the kuffaar or take them as close friends and companions
Islam Question and Answer - Should she end her relationship with some kaafir women or use the opportunity for da’wah?

Allaah has forbidden the believers to take the kaafireen (disbelievers) as friends, and He has issued a stern warning against doing that.
Islam Question and Answer - What is meant by taking the kuffaar as friends? Ruling on mixing with the kuffaar

second who told you that it's not legal in Islam to marry Jewish or Christian. in Islam it's acceptable to marry either christian or a jewish. but it's not accepted to marry a non-Abrahamatic religion (only Christianity and Judaism
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No that's not quite so.

It's acceptable for a Moslem man to marry a Jewish woman, or a Chrisitan woman, but it's not permissable for a Moslem woman to marry a Christian man, or a Jewish man.
 
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No that's not quite so.

It's acceptable for a Moslem man to marry a Jewish woman, or a Chrisitan woman, but it's not permissable for a Moslem woman to marry a Christian man, or a Jewish man.


1- that's for sure, if a woman married a christian, the kids mostly will be related to the father for his religion, so it's not acceptable for a Muslim woman to marry christian in order to protect from taking a partner (Jesus) while they worship God.



2- in addition
the translation of Qur'an you quoted is not accurate .. this verse is not talking about taking friendships with Jews and Christians it's talking only about taking allies or unions (specially in wars), me myself i have 2 neighbors Christians and we go outside together and i even invite them for food monthly, i used to have so many many christian friends at school and colleage.
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O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

and the proof that it's only talking about war or disaster that will result war is the next verse :
So you see those in whose hearts is disease hastening into [association with] them, saying, "We are afraid a misfortune may strike us." But perhaps Allah will bring conquest or a decision from Him, and they will become, over what they have been concealing within themselves, regretful.

 
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that's for sure, if a woman married a christian, the kids mostly will be related to the father for his religion, so it's not acceptable for a Muslim woman to marry christian in order to protect from taking a partner (Jesus) while they worship God.
I don't know then what your objection is

in addition
the translation of Qur'an you quoted is not accurate ..
I didn't offer a single translation. I offered three. Further to that I offered Islamic expert opinion on that issue.
this verse is not talking about taking friendships with Jews and Christians it's talking only about taking allies or unions (specially in wars), me myself i have 2 neighbors Christians and we go outside together and i even invite them for food monthly, i used to have so many many christian friends at school and colleage.
Good for you. I have two Moslem friends too. One of them, a Turkish lady - her husband (also Moslem) drinks beer.

But the Koran says that this shouldn't happen

Personal experience is not always a good indication of what the belief system says
 
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I don't know then what your objection is


I didn't offer a single translation. I offered three. Further to that I offered Islamic expert opinion on that issue.


Good for you. I have two Moslem friends too. One of them, a Turkish lady - her husband (also Moslem) drinks beer.


But the Koran says that this shouldn't happen


Personal experience is not always a good indication of what the belief system says


1- dude, you will judge Islam from the doings of Muslims !!! , will it be fair if i judged Christianity from the homosexual cases that happened with pastors in church ? !!
me myself if i need the truth i would judge Christianity from the source "the holy book" = the words of God , not the words and action of humans.

2- this is kind of twisting the meaning of the verse.
this verse is talking mostly about "allies" and unions of wars, it's not even directed to individuals at all, God here talking to group of Muslims that trying to take christians and jews as allies against other muslims. and as i told you u can read the context , it's so clear
here is the proof (Christians are the nearest people for Islam) :
same surah 05
go to verse no 81 to 85
You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.And why should we not believe in Allah and what has come to us of the truth? And we aspire that our Lord will admit us [to Paradise] with the righteous people."So Allah rewarded them for what they said with gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. And that is the reward of doers of good.


 
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