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Show me scripture that supports ABORTION.

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And? The subject of that sentence is the 'pregnant woman.'

The Jewish interpretation is that the reference is to the fetus. This is from Abortion in Jewish Law: "The fact that the Torah requires a monetary payment for causing a miscarriage is interpreted by some Rabbis to indicate that abortion is not a capital crime and by others as merely indicating that one is not executed for performing an abortion, even though it is a type of murder."
 
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John the Baptist jumped for joy in the womb and was filled with the Spirit in the womb .. Luke 1:44 and Luke 1:15 ... Therefore the babe in the womb is life . ISA 49: 1 the Lord hath called me from the womb .... And ISA 44 God formed you from the womb ... Obviously to the abortionists a figure of speech . And then there's all the verses about giving life in the womb , being conceived and knowing the babies name before the conception ... Obviously people don't put 2 and 2 together .... And just because something is legal doesn't make it right ... that means if you do something in america and it's illegal it's a sin but if you go amsterdam it's now not a sin because it's legal ... By that logic if a country made murder legal it would be ok lol
 
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The Jewish interpretation is that the reference is to the fetus. This is from Abortion in Jewish Law: "The fact that the Torah requires a monetary payment for causing a miscarriage is interpreted by some Rabbis to indicate that abortion is not a capital crime and by others as merely indicating that one is not executed for performing an abortion, even though it is a type of murder."

The subject is harm done to the woman not the foetus. A foetus does not count as a person under Jewish law.
 
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John the Baptist jumped for joy in the womb and was filled with the Spirit in the womb .. Luke 1:44 and Luke 1:15 ... Therefore the babe in the womb is life . ISA 49: 1 the Lord hath called me from the womb .... And ISA 44 God formed you from the womb ... Obviously to the abortionists a figure of speech . And then there's all the verses about giving life in the womb , being conceived and knowing the babies name before the conception ... Obviously people don't put 2 and 2 together .... And just because something is legal doesn't make it right ... that means if you do something in america and it's illegal it's a sin but if you go amsterdam it's now not a sin because it's legal ... By that logic if a country made murder legal it would be ok lol

A specific happening by a specific person does not a case make for all people.
 
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The subject is harm done to the woman not the foetus.
Not possible. read the passage again, the premature coming out is the result of the harm done to the woman by the men fighting. It then says regarding the premature coming out if there is no injury a penalty should be paid, but if there is injury take life for life.
The subject cannot possibly be the woman, the life for life must be regarding the miscarriage and the penalty regarding the premature birth.
 
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Well, as I have pointed out using the "pro life" side, no where in the Bible does the word "abortion" appear. However, in Leviticus 27:6 a monetary value was placed on children, but not until they reached one month old (any younger had no value). Also, in Numbers 3:15 a census was commanded, but the Jews were told only to count those one month old and above - anything less, particularly a fetus, was not counted as a human person. In Ezekiel 37:8-10 we watch as God re-animates dead bones into living soldiers, but the passage makes the interesting note that they were not alive as persons until their first breath. In Genesis 2:7, Adam had a human form and a vibrant new body but he only becomes a fully-alive human person after God makes him breathe. And in the same book, in Genesis 38:24, there is a pregnant woman condemned to death by burning. Though the leaders of Israel knew the woman was carrying a fetus, this was not taken into consideration. If indeed the Jews, and the God who instructed them, believed the fetus to be an equal human person to the mother, then why would they let the fetus die for the mother's crimes? The truth is simple. A fetus is not a human person, and its destruction is not a murder.

And then the verse that states it the best...
"And if men struggle and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." Exodus 21:22-25


Lux did you know that Jesus never mentioned the word pedophelia or rape....so does that mean he condones something because he never mentions the specific word?

The truth is...you don't know the truth. Science even says that which is in a human is a human. If someone found an animal fetus and a human fetus any scientist could tell the difference. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend. Women carry, human fetuses...not animal ones.

I wonder why Scott Peterson was not only convicted of his wifes death but also of his CHILD IN THE WOMB, Connor. Don't you find that odd? If that which is in the womb is nothing, not human, not a person....how could they have held him accountable for not one but two deaths?

AGain you need to educate yourself on what the law says...and what science says.
 
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Oh I am well aware of the law and science. Never have I argued that the fetus isn't human in nature. It's just not a person, that's all. The reason Scott Peterson was charged with a double homicide is because when Laci's body was recovered the fetus was attached to her by the umbilical cord outside of her body, hence granting it personhood because he was considered born and an infant. Not a fetus.
 
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Lux et Lex,
Oh I am well aware of the law and science.
So am I but I am also aware of reality and the word of God.
Never have I argued that the fetus isn't human in nature.
It is a human being developing because we can observe it.
It's just not a person, that's all.
Of course it is the a person developing we can see that.
 
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Oh I am well aware of the law and science. Never have I argued that the fetus isn't human in nature. It's just not a person, that's all. The reason Scott Peterson was charged with a double homicide is because when Laci's body was recovered the fetus was attached to her by the umbilical cord outside of her body, hence granting it personhood because he was considered born and an infant. Not a fetus.

The only reason it was outside the body was because it had been in the elements and had removed itself.

It still was in the womb when she was killed, they can and did prove that. So based on what you said...it was nothing, certainly not a person, certainly not even human.

Could you also address the other statement I made........Jesus never mentioned the word pedophelia or rape......should those be acceptable based on the scriptures because he never addressed them?

You say that He never mentioned abortion....so I take if that everything he did not talk about is not sin.


babys operated on in the womb - Yahoo! Video Search

So this child was not a person before the operation, was a person when they exposed him to air when they operated on him.......and when they closed up leaving him inside....he was not a person anymore. LOL

Amazing........work they do on these as you call them nonhuman, nonpersons....

Tinkering in the womb: the future of fetal surgery : Article : Nature Medicine
 
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I think back to my own pregnancies.........I could feel baby kick and tug, and turn.......even hickup...........I could feel them move, hear their tiny heartbeats, see them on sonogram......
A miracle....Gods handiwork.

But this handiwork Lux says is not human, not a person at all. If its not human, not a person.....then when does that all happen for him?
 
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Lux et Lex,
There is no "thou shalt not abort" but perhaps you can manufacture a Bible that says that, since others seem to be "so good" at "really translating" the Bible.
A bit of a sick argument isnt it? After all there is no such "thou shalt not commit paedophila" and there is no "thou shalt not kill homosexuals"

But there is God knows people and knits people together in the womb. Paslam 139, Jeremiah 1 etc.
 
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Well there is a "thou shalt not kill homosexuals"...that's pretty much covered in thou shalt not murder. Abortion, not being murder as life was considered "breathed", does not fall under that commandment. Pedophilia was rampant in the Bible...apparently there was nothing wrong with it back then.
 
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Lux et Lex,
Well there is a "thou shalt not kill homosexuals"...that's pretty much covered in thou shalt not murder.
So is pro-choice abortion, do not murder the unborn baby especially as the unborn baby has done nothing wrong, the homosexual may have. Furthermore, the parable of the good samaritan, the neighbour was one who the person didnt consider the neighbour, same with the unborn baby and abortion.

Pedophilia was rampant in the Bible...apparently there was nothing wrong with it back then.
Nonsense, it didnt exist for God's people at all, it was against God's purposes, a man shall leave his father and mother before uniting with his wife, the parents released the offspring when they were ready.

You will need to come up with some scripture for what you say to be treated seriously.

"Pigs can fly" liberaliticus 18:20
 
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Lux et Lex,
You didn't mention anything about "life breathed" as being a quantifier for life. Of course the "unborn" weren't included in thou shalt not murder...because they are not people yet.
Pro-choice people are not real people as they dont have the ncessary awareness of reality, so they shouldnt be allowed to have opinions.
How about that?
 
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