The Bereans

[Dark_Lite]

What question?

My question was do you agree with the CCC statements I bolded, or do you disagree?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Gen 26:24... I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.

James 2:23 Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

2Ch 20:7 Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.


1Cr 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

Servant is also used for being no different from a child in respects to the law (even age) although heir to the whole estate is subject to gardians UNTIL the time appointed of the Father (which is also called "the time of life") in accord with the similitude of Isaac (the one born of the promise, the Spirit) contrasted with "if ye be led by the Spirit ye are not under the law" as a child/ servant (which knoweth not better even as a child does not) in that respect (verses friends) which now knoweth their lords will (the meat) Him making known to them these thing or being "made able" by the Spirit verses the child ( no different from a servant) in that respect, not yet able given the age (of a child)

 

[sunlover1]

We are servants of God, not co-workers. So either God gets the credit, or man. Which one gets the credit for the Bible?

We ARE God's co-workers.
But God get's ALL of the glory!
(That's why it's called "HIS" Word)
We are the ones who lay the hands on the sick
but HE is the one who gets the Glory, amen?!

ternational Standard Version (©2008)
For we are God's co-workers. You are God's farmland and God's building.GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
We are God's coworkers. You are God's field. You are God's building.
King James Bible
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

 

[Mr Dave]

We ARE God's co-workers.
But God get's ALL of the glory!
(That's why it's called "HIS" Word)
We are the ones who lay the hands on the sick
but HE is the one who gets the Glory, amen?!

ternational Standard Version (©2008)
For we are God's co-workers. You are God's farmland and God's building.GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
We are God's coworkers. You are God's field. You are God's building.
King James Bible
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

 

[razeontherock]

Some people that got this part right: Casting Crowns

YouTube - Casting Crowns Set Me Free

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Since the topic of the Bereans was being discussed so much on another thread, I thought I would bring a post that I had up on that thread to this one so we could further discuss it w/o derailing the other thread
Perhaps we can examing each major greek word used in this verse and how they are used elsewhere.
That is if any here are interested

http://www.christianforums.com/t7584240/#post58295780

The greek word #4288 is interesting and only used 1 time in Acts and the rest in 2 Corinthians 8 and 9.
According to the lexicon it uses the root word #2372, which is used as "fury/wrath" in most places of the NT [expecially in Revelation].

ISA) Acts 17:11 These yet more well-generated of the ones in Thessalonica, who-any receive the word with all passion/pro-qumiaV <4288> the according to day, examining the Writings if it may be having these thusly.

Textus Rec.) Acts 17:11 outoi de hsan eugenesteroi twn en qessalonikh oitineV edexanto ton logon meta pashV proqumiaV to kaq hmeran anakrinonteV taV grafaV ei ecoi tauta outwV

Strong's Number G4288 matches the Greek &#960;&#961;&#959;&#952;&#965;&#956;&#8055;&#945; (prothymia), which occurs 6 times in 5 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
Page 1 / 1 (Act 17:11 - 2Cr 9:2)

4288. prothumia proth-oo-mee'-ah from 4289; predisposition, i.e. alacrity:--forwardness of mind, readiness (of mind), ready (willing) mind.
4253. pro pro a primary preposition; "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (figuratively, superior) to:--above, ago, before, or ever.
2372. thumos thoo-mos' from 2380; passion (as if breathing hard):--fierceness, indignation, wrath. Compare 5590.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

These were of Noble Birth in Thessalonica and whoever received Jesus, were eager to interrogate the written words according to what was taught daily whether these things could be taken hold of as if they were so . Acts 17:11

 

[Thekla]

Search the Scriptures with all eagerness to see if what the translator says is so ...

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Search the Scriptures with all eagerness to see if what the translator says is so ...

yeah!

 

[Fireinfolding]

Search the Scriptures with all eagerness to see if what the translator says is so ...

Thats trying to pull apart the text focus on a people, rather then know in yourself (the same readiness of mind/ zeal if you feel better about it) they had in searching the scriptures to see if THOSE THINGS (preached to them) were so.

So, we are only going to wrangle over the people and how (carnally wealthy) they were whereas another (could care less) but rather understand (in themselves) the wealth of the zeal (the readiness of mind, whichever) they identify with (in these) and in the same desire to search the scriptures to see if these things are true likewise.

God bless

 

[Thekla]

Thats trying to pull apart the text focus on a people, rather then know in yourself (the same readiness of mind/ zeal if you feel better about it) they had in searching the scriptures to see if THOSE THINGS (preached to them) were so.

So, we are only going to wrangle over the people and how (carnally wealthy) they were whereas another (could care less) but rather understand (in themselves) the wealth of the zeal (the readiness of mind, whichever) they identify with (in these) and in the same desire to search the scriptures to see if these things are true likewise.

God bless

I agree that the verse gets lopsided ... one of my big problems is that the verse is mistranslated and used as a proof text for Sola Scriptura -- and in so doing the Bereans eagerness for hearing is missed !

I couldn't agree with you more on that point !

And I'm not interested in "wrangling"

I honor and value the Holy Scriptures. I want to know what is written, not someone's agenda written into the text through mistranslation !

My overarching concern arises from respect for what is written in Scripture ...

 

[LinuxUser]

The Bereans were more noble because they were smart enough to rely on Scripture only not weird traditions of men

 

[Thekla]

The Bereans were more noble because they were smart enough to rely on Scripture only not weird traditions of men

And the typical translation of that passage is a tradition of men.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I agree that the verse gets lopsided ... one of my big problems is that the verse is mistranslated and used as a proof text for Sola Scriptura -- and in so doing the Bereans eagerness for hearing is missed !

I couldn't agree with you more on that point !

And I'm not interested in "wrangling"

I honor and value the Holy Scriptures. I want to know what is written, not someone's agenda written into the text through mistranslation !

My overarching concern arises from respect for what is written in Scripture ...

No sis, I didnt mean you were wrangling, but whats left for us (there) is only to wrangle (and over the carnal wealth of these folks) in contarst to their earnest desire. This also is of that which also captures (even) our own in the reading of it. And whats left is our "expertises" (over words) to over throw what blesses the most of us (even in the Spirits fervor which fires up in me seeing that). Like wow! These things can be searched out! And its encouraged! And (again) the Spirit quickens in you, "Its to Gods GLORY to conceal a thing BUT the HONOUR OF KINGS to search it out (Go!) and I will open to you what I have done in these days and the deaf shall hear the words of the book and you shall be blessed, reading, hearing, seeing and believing! (and they shall know that I am the Lord!) He did it! He called it and He brought it to pass in Christ (Amen!)

I mean its awesome, the verse speaks to that inner thing that happens in us, at least that which I know is in me.

Whats left is only to overthrow Gods words to prove "ourselves" (or to that "intent" more or less). However, seeing God is true by His Spirit which teaches you (making His words known) is more amazing then someone coming up and trying to stamp it out only to place themselves to you and say "hear ye me" and using whats so precious there (to even myself) to do it.

Cant explain it right Thelks I just notice the desire "to control" being central around it. Thank God for His Spirit, in that He has not left us alone, He inclines me to His words.

God bless sis, I didnt mean "you wrangling" though

 

[Tzaousios]

The Bereans were more noble because they were smart enough to rely on Scripture only not weird traditions of men

Calling everything that you think you disagree with "weird traditions of men" is a rhetorical copout. It shows an igorance of history as well as a belief that one's place is at the center of the universe instead of being just another isolated microcosm in modern Christianity.

Do you really want to earn a place with the anti-Catholic/anti-Orthodox cabal in General Theology?

 

[LinuxUser]

Sure. I am proud to upload the Bible alone

 

[Tzaousios]

Sure. I am proud to upload the Bible alone

Upload? That makes no sense and does not address my reply to you.

 

[sunlover1]

Calling everything that you think you disagree with "weird traditions of men" is a rhetorical copout. It shows an igorance of history as well as a belief that one's place is at the center of the universe instead of being just another isolated microcosm in modern Christianity.

Do you really want to earn a place with the anti-Catholic/anti-Orthodox cabal in General Theology?

But He makes a valid and important point.
And his point includes ANY denomination that
does not rely on Scripture.. I am hoping that
the ones you mention do indeed rely on God's Words
for proper doctrine.. ALL Scripture IS profitable for such..
after all.
If we have no plumb line, we DO end up with strange doctrine.
it only follows, doesnt it?
...
Anyhow, that's what I saw.

 

[Tzaousios]

But He makes a valid and important point.

Not really, seeing that it is aimed at the usual suspects targeted by those who are paranoid about anything that smacks as "Catholic." Thus, since in that mindset, tradition = Catholic = BAD, the rhetorical trope of "traditions of men" is slapped on willy-nilly. It is embarrassing.

And his point includes ANY denomination that
does not rely on Scripture..

And who exactly are those? I do not see any Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses posting in here. Be careful that you do not give the stereotypical answer.

I am hoping that
the ones you mention do indeed rely on God's Words
for proper doctrine..

What would you like to say about Catholics and Orthodox?

I will get the ball rolling by saying that they usually display an attitude and a method that is informed by history. What is more, they do not force themselves into a microcosm by adopting a "juss me n' my Bible" method which unwittingly thrashes out the drudgery of the Reformation all over again.

ALL Scripture IS profitable for such..
after all.
If we have no plumb line, we DO end up with strange doctrine.
it only follows, doesnt it?

That is nice. However, I have not seen anyone reject the fact that all Scripture is profitable. I have seen others rhetorically denigrate things of which they are ignorant as to their origins and rely instead on the same old prejudices.

 

[Dorothea]

Sure. I am proud to upload the Bible alone

So you are for that particular tradition of men - Bible alone. Because there was no such thing as that the first say 1500 years of Christianity.