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From interacting with other Christians, I have found there is not much that a Christian is permitted to do, aside from a couple basic activities. Christians are very concerned, of course, with offending God so we have to be super careful not to do anything sinful, right? So that really limits what we can - and cannot - do for activities and recreation.

For instance, we could start with a list of prohibitions that many Christians condemn, some are more obvious than others. But in general, I have heard the following is off-limits: Movies, TV, video games, going to the beach / coed swimming, dancing, dating, physical touch before the wedding ceremony, many secular books (especially anything related to any "non-Christian" themes, which could be almost anything), drinking, going to parties, trying to meet people of the opposite sex, anything related to going to "sinful" places (your mileage may vary where this is exactly), listening to music (UNLESS it is gospel or hymn music - none of that contemporary "Christian" music or rock - and you can forget about secular music), martial arts is of the devil and too much exercise is sinful because it leads to vanity and "bodily exercise profiteth little" saith the Scriptures, and probably a whole lot of other things I'm not thinking of at the moment.

So, the question is, what is left that the Christian CAN partake of, without being "spotted with the world"? Not much. Obviously, the believer should be working at least 40 hours per week, minimum. This will keep him out of trouble for the most part. After this, and time spent sleeping, bathing, etc. he won't have that much spare time, considering he must be at church on Sundays and midweek services. He must also be spending a good portion of his time helping out with various ministries at church, which would eat up some more free time he might have. He should most likely be out evangelising as well. But what is he allowed to do with the rest of his time?

Well, again, aside from extensively reading the bible - and pro-Christian, church proscribed literature only - he is going to obviously be praying, but that doesn't take up too much time, for most. So there are basically only two activities that the believer is allowed to do, as far as most Christians agree: He will spend much of his time EATING and watching or playing SPORTS. I have rarely met a Christian who dares condemn the last two sanctuaries of Christian hobbies, which are consuming food (or preparing it, this is often gender specific) and watching (or playing sometimes) sports.

This would explain why many Christians I know in real life are rather large physically (eating is one God-approved activity), and why many are so excited about "the big game" after church on Sunday afternoons, etc.

There's not a lot for Christians to do with their spare time for recreation, that isn't sinful.
 
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It's a rather distorted version Christianity that comes to the conclusions you have stated. It rather begs the question "Why did God create such and amazing world and give us amazing capacities to appreciate and enjoy it, and then place most of it out of bounds?"

Remember, Satan is incapable of creating anything good or pleasurable, only taking distorting or misusing in some way what God created.

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From interacting with other Christians, I have found there is not much that a Christian is permitted to do, aside from a couple basic activities. Christians are very concerned, of course, with offending God so we have to be super careful not to do anything sinful, right? So that really limits what we can - and cannot - do for activities and recreation.

For instance, we could start with a list of prohibitions that many Christians condemn, some are more obvious than others. But in general, I have heard the following is off-limits: Movies, TV, video games, going to the beach / coed swimming, dancing, dating, physical touch before the wedding ceremony, many secular books (especially anything related to any "non-Christian" themes, which could be almost anything), drinking, going to parties, trying to meet people of the opposite sex, anything related to going to "sinful" places (your mileage may vary where this is exactly), listening to music (UNLESS it is gospel or hymn music - none of that contemporary "Christian" music or rock - and you can forget about secular music), martial arts is of the devil and too much exercise is sinful because it leads to vanity and "bodily exercise profiteth little" saith the Scriptures, and probably a whole lot of other things I'm not thinking of at the moment.

So, the question is, what is left that the Christian CAN partake of, without being "spotted with the world"? Not much. Obviously, the believer should be working at least 40 hours per week, minimum. This will keep him out of trouble for the most part. After this, and time spent sleeping, bathing, etc. he won't have that much spare time, considering he must be at church on Sundays and midweek services. He must also be spending a good portion of his time helping out with various ministries at church, which would eat up some more free time he might have. He should most likely be out evangelising as well. But what is he allowed to do with the rest of his time?

Well, again, aside from extensively reading the bible - and pro-Christian, church proscribed literature only - he is going to obviously be praying, but that doesn't take up too much time, for most. So there are basically only two activities that the believer is allowed to do, as far as most Christians agree: He will spend much of his time EATING and watching or playing SPORTS. I have rarely met a Christian who dares condemn the last two sanctuaries of Christian hobbies, which are consuming food (or preparing it, this is often gender specific) and watching (or playing sometimes) sports.

This would explain why many Christians I know in real life are rather large physically (eating is one God-approved activity), and why many are so excited about "the big game" after church on Sunday afternoons, etc.

There's not a lot for Christians to do with their spare time for recreation, that isn't sinful.

You seem to have some very bizzarre ideas about what we believe. Thank God none of the things in your post are true.

We love movies (movie night every Thursday night), we love music (most everybody in our family plays at least one instrument, several of us are or have been professional musicians), love to read (currently reading One Second After for the umpteenth time), love to go to the beach (our family has homes in Cape May and Gulf Shores), love sports (Phillies' season ticket holders since 1977), love riding (my wife and oldest daughter are barrel racers), love sailing, love fishing, love dancing (no good at it, but love it anyway)...

And the list goes on and on.

I'm not sure where you've gotten the bizzare ideas you've expressed about Christainity here and in other threads, but like so many of the things you've claimed about us in other threads, the things in your post simply aren't true.
 
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You seem to have some very bizzarre ideas about what we believe. Thank God none of the things in your post are true.

We love movies (movie night every Thursday night), we love music (most everybody in our family plays at least one instrument, several of us are or have been professional musicians), love to read (currently reading One Second After for the umpteenth time), love to go to the beach (our family has homes in Cape May and Gulf Shores), love sports (Phillies' season ticket holders since 1977), love riding (my wife and oldest daughter are barrel racers), love sailing, love fishing, love dancing (no good at it, but love it anyway)...

And the list goes on and on.

I'm not sure where you've gotten the bizzare ideas you've expressed about Christainity here and in other threads, but like so many of the things you've claimed about us in other threads, the things in your post simply aren't true.

Well, they are true because I've heard them from people I know. I have also seen similar posts on this board, and others like it. So before you claim something is untrue, take a look at others around you first. The world doesn't operate the way you always think it does, within your little boxed in reality.

Fishing would be a sport, so it would be expected you'd say that. A lot of Christians I know love hunting, which is also a sport (a barbaric and violent one, but a 'sport' all the same).

I find it funny how you think all Christians operate the way your family does.

Case in point, dancing. Dancing, a hobby I have little interest in personally, is widely condemned by Christians. Type in dancing and sin in google and you'll be amazed at some of the pages you read. Example: http://www.biblequestions.org/Archives/BQAR339.htm or http://www.knollwoodchurch.org/yr2002/j06_dancing.html

This is a common teaching in Christendom, so don't pretend like it's not when it is.
 
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If you don't want to dance, then don't dance. But don't be so arrogant as to tell us what our own religion teaches.

Christians may choose not to dance, but there's no teaching in Christianity that says we must not dance.

There are numerous teachings that tell people not to:

Dance
Have sex
Have certain "kinds" of sex within your marriage
Use contraception
Drink any alcohol (even though God Himself drank wine)
Smoke
Watch TV
Watch Movies
Read books
Play video games
Exercise
Drink caffeine
Date
Have any sort of physical contact with your significant other until the wedding ceremony
Practice martial arts
Study evolution, other religions, etc. (anything contrary to said denominations belief structure)
Go to the beach
Wear nice clothes
Women to wear pants, make-up, etc.

Scoff all you like, I know many people like this.

They are out there - you just pretend they are not, choosing instead, to live in your own little bubble.
 
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Scoff all you like, I know many people like this.

They are out there - you just pretend they are not, choosing instead, to live in your own little bubble.

No, I never said that people like that do not exist. I said that there's nothing in either the Bible or in any of the historic creeds, confessions, and catechisms of Christianity to suggest that any of these things are forbidden.

Like I said, if individuals choose not to engage in these things, then they do so by their own choice, not because the Bible tells them to.
 
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No, I never said that people like that do not exist. I said that there's nothing in either the Bible or in any of the historic creeds, confessions, and catechisms of Christianity to suggest that any of these things are forbidden.

Like I said, if individuals choose not to engage in these things, then they do so by their own choice, not because the Bible tells them to.
actually there were two main groups of lutherans in times gone by where one believed dancing was wrong just like baptists did. These were official church beliefs therfore in catechisms. Same as there are still denominations today who condemn alcohol (note Salvation Army does not condemn it but to be a soldier in the salvos you must agree not to drink alcohol). So it is not just people but it is and has been official beliefs of denominations. Roman catholic church still officially is against the use of contraceptives. It may be widely ignored but is official belief.

I believe all blueforest is trying to say is that if we went along with everything different groups said we should not do then we would have basically nothing left to do. Therefore we should think carefully before expecting others to conform to our way of thinking.
 
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actually there were two main groups of lutherans in times gone by where one believed dancing was wrong just like baptists did. These were official church beliefs therfore in catechisms.

Which catechism is that?

Roman catholic church still officially is against the use of contraceptives.

Are you familiar with the Protestant Reformation?

I believe all blueforest is trying to say is that if we went along with everything different groups said we should not do then we would have basically nothing left to do.

I take it you're not familiar with Blueforest's posts. He's mocking Christianity.
 
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Take a look at wiki's list of Christian denominations. Within each denomination, there are churches that believe different things, and within each church there are people... within each family.... no two Christian maintains the exact same standards.

You have compiled a list of what various people resist doing -- but each Christian does not compile all these things. One might feel too much online gaming hinders other areas of their life, while another tries not to spend time with other guy's wives.

These are not official lists of do-nots, that are standardized across Christendom.

In fact, Jesus confronted religious leaders for tithing herbs -- getting too picky over details of Moses' law, inventing their own rules. As you can see, too many rules stifle and end up working against the faith.

There are a few denominations where members are unusually strict. Holiness/Oneness Pentecostalism tends to be that way. Puritans.

As you say, "your mileage may vary where this is exactly."

The average Christian considers many things acceptable, but not all profitable.

Seeing movies but avoiding certain ones. Listening to music but not obsessing over ones that dehumanize. Dancing but not taking home one-night-stands afterward. Going to the beach but not asking strangers to help with the suntan lotion.

"bodily exercise profiteth little" saith the Scriptures
The word "little" = oligon is a measure (a little, a lot), not negating the value.

h gar swmatikh gumnasia prov oligon estin (5748) wfelimov


Games and sports are referenced throughout the Bible...
Psalms 19:5; Eccl 9:11, 1 Corinthians 15:32, Galatians 2:2; 5:7; Phil 2:16; 3:14; 1 Timothy 6:12; 2Tim. 2:5; Hebrews 12:1,4,12, Col 1:29 , Col 4:12 , 1Ti 4:10, 1Ti 6:12
Training in the bow and sling Judges 20:16; 1 Chronicles 12:2).

Agonizomai - Greek Lexicon
http://www.studylight.org/isb/view.cgi?number=1129


II Timothy 2:5
If anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules.

1Co 9:25 -
Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.

Colossians 2:16-23Then do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of coming things, but the body is of Christ.

Let no one condemn you, delighting in humility and worship of the angels, pushing into things which he has not seen, being puffed up by the mind of his flesh without cause, and not holding fast the Head, from whom all the body having been supplied through the joints and bands, and being joined together, will grow with the growth of God.
If, then, you died with Christ from the elements of the world, why are you under its decrees, as living in the world? Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch,
which things are all for corruption in the using, according to the "injunctions and teachings of men."
Isa. 29:13
Which things indeed appear to be a matter of having wisdom in self-imposed worship and humility, and severity in abuse of the body, but are not of any value with regards to gratification of the flesh.
You seem to be speaking out against Christians obsessing over restrictions and fears, and that is also something Jesus spoke out against.
 
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Take a look at wiki's list of Christian denominations. Within each denomination, there are churches that believe different things, and within each church there are people... within each family.... no two Christian maintains the exact same standards.

You have compiled a list of what various people resist doing -- but each Christian does not compile all these things. One might feel too much online gaming hinders other areas of their life, while another tries not to spend time with other guy's wives.

These are not official lists of do-nots, that are standardized across Christendom.

In fact, Jesus confronted religious leaders for tithing herbs -- getting too picky over details of Moses' law, inventing their own rules. As you can see, too many rules stifle and end up working against the faith.

There are a few denominations where members are unusually strict. Holiness/Oneness Pentecostalism tends to be that way. Puritans.

As you say, "your mileage may vary where this is exactly."

The average Christian considers many things acceptable, but not all profitable.

Seeing movies but avoiding certain ones. Listening to music but not obsessing over ones that dehumanize. Dancing but not taking home one-night-stands afterward. Going to the beach but not asking strangers to help with the suntan lotion.

"bodily exercise profiteth little" saith the Scriptures
The word "little" = oligon is a measure (a little, a lot), not negating the value.

h gar swmatikh gumnasia prov oligon estin (5748) wfelimov


Games and sports are referenced throughout the Bible...
Psalms 19:5; Eccl 9:11, 1 Corinthians 15:32, Galatians 2:2; 5:7; Phil 2:16; 3:14; 1 Timothy 6:12; 2Tim. 2:5; Hebrews 12:1,4,12, Col 1:29 , Col 4:12 , 1Ti 4:10, 1Ti 6:12
Training in the bow and sling Judges 20:16; 1 Chronicles 12:2).

Agonizomai - Greek Lexicon
http://www.studylight.org/isb/view.cgi?number=1129


II Timothy 2:5
If anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules.

1Co 9:25 -
Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.

Colossians 2:16-23Then do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of coming things, but the body is of Christ.

Let no one condemn you, delighting in humility and worship of the angels, pushing into things which he has not seen, being puffed up by the mind of his flesh without cause, and not holding fast the Head, from whom all the body having been supplied through the joints and bands, and being joined together, will grow with the growth of God.
If, then, you died with Christ from the elements of the world, why are you under its decrees, as living in the world? Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch,
which things are all for corruption in the using, according to the "injunctions and teachings of men."
Isa. 29:13
Which things indeed appear to be a matter of having wisdom in self-imposed worship and humility, and severity in abuse of the body, but are not of any value with regards to gratification of the flesh.
You seem to be speaking out against Christians obsessing over restrictions and fears, in self-righteousness; and that is also something Jesus spoke out against.
 
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Take a look at wiki's list of Christian denominations. Within each denomination, there are churches that believe different things, and within each church there are people... within each family.... no two Christian maintains the exact same standards.

You have compiled a list of what various people resist doing -- but each Christian does not compile all these things. One might feel too much online gaming hinders other areas of their life, while another tries not to spend time with other guy's wives.

These are not official lists of do-nots, that are standardized across Christendom.

In fact, Jesus confronted religious leaders for tithing herbs -- getting too picky over details of Moses' law, inventing their own rules. As you can see, too many rules stifle and end up working against the faith.

There are a few denominations where members are unusually strict. Holiness/Oneness Pentecostalism tends to be that way. Puritans.

As you say, "your mileage may vary where this is exactly."

The average Christian considers many things acceptable, but not all profitable.

Seeing movies but avoiding certain ones. Listening to music but not obsessing over ones that dehumanize. Dancing but not taking home one-night-stands afterward. Going to the beach but not asking strangers to help with the suntan lotion.

"bodily exercise profiteth little" saith the Scriptures
The word "little" = oligon is a measure (a little, a lot), not negating the value.

h gar swmatikh gumnasia prov oligon estin (5748) wfelimov


Games and sports are referenced throughout the Bible...
Psalms 19:5; Eccl 9:11, 1 Corinthians 15:32, Galatians 2:2; 5:7; Phil 2:16; 3:14; 1 Timothy 6:12; 2Tim. 2:5; Hebrews 12:1,4,12, Col 1:29 , Col 4:12 , 1Ti 4:10, 1Ti 6:12
Training in the bow and sling Judges 20:16; 1 Chronicles 12:2).

Agonizomai - Greek Lexicon
New Testament Greek - StudyLight.org


II Timothy 2:5
If anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules.

1Co 9:25 -
Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.

Colossians 2:16-23Then do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of coming things, but the body is of Christ.

Let no one condemn you, delighting in humility and worship of the angels, pushing into things which he has not seen, being puffed up by the mind of his flesh without cause, and not holding fast the Head, from whom all the body having been supplied through the joints and bands, and being joined together, will grow with the growth of God.

If, then, you died with Christ from the elements of the world, why are you under its decrees, as living in the world? Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch,

which things are all for corruption in the using, according to the "injunctions and teachings of men." Isa. 29:13

Which things indeed appear to be a matter of having wisdom in self-imposed worship and humility, and severity in abuse of the body, but are not of any value with regards to gratification of the flesh.
You seem to be speaking out against Christians obsessing over restrictions and fears, in self-righteousness; that is also something Jesus spoke out against.
 
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Hmmm,

I go dancing with my wife, I play music, sometimes even for other people, I play video games and watch TV, go to sporting events, volunteer my time, walk the dog, work out, compose music, write and record my own songs, cook (I'm a fantastic cook!), read (yes, even secular fiction) and maybe even go to the beach...all the while thanking God and giving Him the glory for blessing me to be able to do ALL those things.

And that's the "trick".

Good night and God bless.
 
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In general, I just find... there's not really a lot for me to do, as a Christian. I absolutely loathe sports, playing OR watching and I'm not a food crazy person either. I can eat whatever I want and never gain a pound, but I'm not obsessed with food either. (I "eat to live" not "live to eat".) So that was what inspired this topic.

One can only work so much, sleep so much, pray so much, study scripture so much without needing to do something to unwind.
 
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