legalism

[Frogster]

A direct contradiction of Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: Yea, we establish the law"

31 has a question. Please show how mosaic law, which is not of faith, Gal 3;12, established the justification, of jew and gentile, as per the question?

PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION OF 31, USING MOSAIC LAW.
SHOW HOW MOSAIC LAW, UPHOLDS THE JUSTIFICATION OF JEW AND GENTILE BY FAITH.



31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

Then we can dicuss how Paul was saying the OT is upheld, where he went to answer the question of 31, jusitifcation of the circumcised David by faith, an uncut Abe by faith. What do the scriptures say, 4:3. The OT was upheld, not Moses, he did not go into Moses, he went into the OT, also called law to answer the question of 3:31.

 

[Frogster]

Here is something interesting....

1 Tim 1.8 "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man..."

Rom 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one."

Bingo! yes, after 3 chpaters of using law, paul showed that they are sinners, that is who the law is for, u should see that pretty easily enough, just read the list in 1 Tim 1, who the law is for, now read this list. THESE ARE WHO IT IS FOR, NOT THE CHURCH...


Rom 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

 

[Frogster]

Paul here is speaking of himself...He wasn't around in the time of Adam and Eve...

just read 5, one man, one act, one transgression, sin reigned.

It was not from Mosaic law. That came 430 years after Abe.

 

[Frogster]

Yo, just read 31 like this...


31 Do we then overthrow the Old Testament by this justifying faith of jew and gentile? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the Old Testament.

Instead of...

31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.


Where did Paul go to uphold this faith, and answer the question of 31?


here. curcumcised David ans uncircumcised Abe, justified by faith, upholding the OT, where he went to answer the question of 31.


4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm going for the principle truth here and not Paul's experience with the flesh which we all have. Chapters 7 and 12.

You couldn't be going for any kind of principle of truth... He said, he lived without the law once, and when it came he died. Thats the truth.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Bingo! yes, after 3 chpaters of using law, paul showed that they are sinners, that is who the law is for, u should see that pretty easily enough, just read the list in 1 Tim 1, who the law is for, now read this list. THESE ARE WHO IT IS FOR, NOT THE CHURCH...


Rom 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

All are sinners even you and I. So I guess it is for us too! the 10 were the spiritual law of God.

So I guess you don't believe what Paul says in 1 Tim 8... That the law is good if you use it lawfully. How would you use it lawfully?

 

[from scratch]

All are sinners even you and I. So I guess it is for us too! the 10 were the spiritual law of God.

So I guess you don't believe what Paul says in 1 Tim 8... That the law is good if you use it lawfully. How would you use it lawfully?

Well for starters the next verse says very plainly that it isn't for the righteous (Christian). If the Christian isn't righteous there is no hope of salvation or eternal life. Since it appears that position is rejected, who is then the righteous that it applies to? The righteous are no longer doing what the rest of the verse and next one state.

 

[Frogster]

You couldn't be going for any kind of principle of truth... He said, he lived without the law once, and when it came he died. Thats the truth.

Paul was circumcised the 8th day, hebrew born of hebrews. So when did he live wthout the law?

Not only that, he said he was alive, when the commandment came. THEN died. He just got done saying all were dead, in Adam, so how could he be alive spirtually, when the command came?

Let me know, if you want me to bloiviate, and give you an edjamacation.

 

[Frogster]

All are sinners even you and I. So I guess it is for us too! the 10 were the spiritual law of God.

So I guess you don't believe what Paul says in 1 Tim 8... That the law is good if you use it lawfully. How would you use it lawfully?

Sooooo.. r u gonna show the answer to your favorite misused verse, Rom 3;31?

How does the justifying faith, of jew and gentile, uphold Mosaic law? Show me it in Moses please.

Paul said the law is not of faith, in gal 3;12, they are actually contrary principles.

Please advise.

 

[Frogster]

All are sinners even you and I. So I guess it is for us too! the 10 were the spiritual law of God.

So I guess you don't believe what Paul says in 1 Tim 8... That the law is good if you use it lawfully. How would you use it lawfully?

We must not add our opinion to the clear text. Paul was condemning the unsaved, in Rom 1-3, and he said, the law is not for the just. Fact.

Did you do what frogster advised, and see the list of 1 tim 1, with Rom 1?

 

[from scratch]

You couldn't be going for any kind of principle of truth... He said, he lived without the law once, and when it came he died. Thats the truth.

If you insist. What then would I be going for? The promotion of a lie? Don't you understand that is what you have just implied? The truth is that sin was in the world before the law and the law doesn't prove that is the only way to know right from wrong. Consider Abraham lying about his wife and Pharaoh know it was wrong to take another mans's wife. So come again about the principle of truth I'm not going for.

 

[from scratch]

All are sinners even you and I. So I guess it is for us too! the 10 were the spiritual law of God.

So I guess you don't believe what Paul says in 1 Tim 8... That the law is good if you use it lawfully. How would you use it lawfully?

Ah yes that was true once upon a time. I became righteous when I accpeted the free gift God gives to those who will accept it. I realize I didn't deserve any such good fortune. Oh happy now am I. I love my fre gift!!!

 

[from scratch]

We must not add our opinion to the clear text. Paul was condemning the unsaved, in Rom 1-3, and he said, the law is not for the just. Fact.

Did you do what frogster advised, and see the list of 1 tim 1, with Rom 1?

Naw there is no consdieration of what we post and seldom even a rebutal to it because they haven't considered anything, not even their own position in light of Scripture. How often are our comments addressed except to say and I quote you are wrong. I seldom if ever remember being given an alternative view point to my post.

For instance the reply to I Tim 1:8-10 is your not righteous and they refuse to say who is. But if the Christian is not righteous, who is? Those who follow the law for righteousness or define righteousness by the law are failures according to their own testimony which we sometimes provide for them and they won't acknowledge those facts. Some of them just disappear. Others just keep proclaiming something that isn't true hoping beyond hope that the lie will be believed somehow. Is my observation any good or valid? I didn't call them sinners and I don't call them believers either. At this point I don't know what to call them. But they fit in some identifiable group. Maybe it is this PC talk that is required everywhere these days. Praying I stayed outta trouble.

 

[Frogster]

Naw there is no consdieration of what we post and seldom even a rebutal to it because they haven't considered anything, not even their won position in light of Scripture. How often are our comments addressed except to say and I quote you are wrong. I seldom if ever remember being given an alternative view point to my post.

Fro instance the reply to I Tim 1:8-10 is your not righteous and they refuse to say who is. But if the Christian is not righteous, who is? Those who follow the law for righteousness or define righteousness by the law are failures according to their own testimony which we sometimes provide for them and they won't acknowledge those facts. Some of them just disappear. Others just keep proclaiming something that isn't true hoping beyond hope that the lie will be believed somehow. Is my observation any good or valid? I didn't call them sinners and I don't call them believers either. At this point I don't know what to call them. But they fit in some identifiable group. Maybe it is this PC talk that is required everywhere these days. Praying I stayed outta trouble.

Well said, my brother.

 

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[from scratch]

Wow! weas real dirty folks. I thought this was done the udder day.

 

[from scratch]

Paul was circumcised the 8th day, hebrew born of hebrews. So when did he live wthout the law?

Not only that, he said he was alive, when the commandment came. THEN died. He just got done saying all were dead, in Adam, so how could he be alive spirtually, when the command came?

Let me know, if you want me to bloiviate, and give you an edjamacation.

Hey I wonder if blood first coagulates on the 8th day is a mere conicidence.

 

[from scratch]

After looking it musta been a different thread.

 

[Frogster]

Hey I wonder if blood first coagulates on the 8th day is a mere conicidence.

Good one!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by from scratch Hey I wonder if blood first coagulates on the 8th day is a mere conicidence.

Good one!

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