legalism

[YosemiteSam]

Now can a Christian practice any thing in your list? Why certianly not as has been pointed out with another Scripture - 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Finally, I shall applaud you. All that for two little bitty questions.

First, the law does exist!

Second, the true Christian, one led by the spirit cannot practice sin! You posted the verse above. Good.

Now finally,
Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid...we establish the law."

Rom 8:4- "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us (those in the church), who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit....Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for is is not subject to the law of God.."

The true Christian, understands just as Paul wrote. 7.9 "For I was alive without the law once (he didn't understand): but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life (Christ said, keep the commandments if you wish to inherit eternal life), I found to be unto death (Paul now knew he was a sinner) For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." see also v 13

The Spirit leads a true Christian to understanding the laws of God. When we obey, that is how the "righteousness of the law" is fulfilled in us. That is how the true Christian establishes the law, by keeping it. Just as Paul said in Rom 3.31

You said the law still exist. You said, that a true Christian cannot practice sin. The true Christian is abiding in the law! He is not practicing sin; therefore he is not under it. He is establishing the law by obeying the Creator and "walking in His ways." Zech 3.7

The law is HOLY, JUST and GOOD.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Were we raised up WITH Christ?

we sure are.

 

[Frogster]

we sure are.

Amen. Do bear with froggy please.

Raised out of what?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Amen. Do bear with froggy please.

Raised out of what?

i'll bite.

sin?

 

[Frogster]

i'll bite.

sin?

Rabbits nibble.

Ok, so if sinful Adam, who had sin come to full fruition, under law, went to the cross, rom 6:6, with sin, flesh, and the law all wrapped up in it, and then we were raised up out of that old sinful creation, as a new creation, 2 Cor 5:17, that God made, doesn't that show that the law was for the old dead creation, dead people, having served it's purpose, in the dead flesh?

Since the law was added to increase sin, in the flesh, in Adam, rom 5, why do we need law, in the new creation, that has no sin in it, since we are raised like Christ, who has no sin? Rom 6:10-11.

 

[from scratch]

you say that (the red highlighted portion), but you don't agree that sin is violation of God's law.

Dats a big rat on!!! That covenant doesn't apply to me as a Christian. The Holy Spirit personally spoke to me on that issue. Scripture bears this out and witnesses to this fact.

you post gal 3:19, in which, paul talks about the works of the flesh and using this as a definition of sin? paul is pointing out the works of the flesh, all of which, goes against the law of God!

No kiddin? Why then didn't he refer to the law directly? Doesn't he call the law the flesh? Read Romans. And don't forget the throwing out of the woman illustrating the law. Wonder why he used a woman for this ilustration. In Romans he uses a man. Had to include it to show I'm not anti woman. Sorry for you feminists.

now, can you tell me of anyone who is practicing the things in those verses that is practicing righteousness? (ps 119:172, col 1:10, col 3:20, 1jn 3:22)

walking in the spirit, even? (rom 8:4,7)

Incidence isn't obedience, ever. Paul isn't showing, referring to or telling us to follow the law. This keeps everything following the same pattern of being severed from the law as a Christian. I Tim 1:8-10 also shows this very clearly for those who understand who the righteous are.

 

[from scratch]

Finally, I shall applaud you. All that for two little bitty questions.

First, the law does exist!

Second, the true Christian, one led by the spirit cannot practice sin! You posted the verse above. Good.

The key word here is practice if you haven't noticed. This is why we have I John 1:9-2:1.

Now finally,
Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid...we establish the law."

Rom 8:4- "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us (those in the church), who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit....Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for is is not subject to the law of God.."

No righteousness is established by the keeping of the law. The righteousness of the Christian is through (courtesy of) the blood of Jesus Christ by declaration - Romans 4.

The true Christian, understands just as Paul wrote. 7.9 "For I was alive without the law once (he didn't understand): but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life (Christ said, keep the commandments if you wish to inherit eternal life), I found to be unto death (Paul now knew he was a sinner) For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." see also v 13

And the true Christian understands John 15:10. And no Jesus didn't say one can inherit eternal life by keeping the 10 Cs only to say if you're gettin in it will be through Me and no other way - not by keeping the 10 Cs or any of the law. Law keepers are clearly called theives by Jesus no less.

The Spirit leads a true Christian to understanding the laws of God. When we obey, that is how the "righteousness of the law" is fulfilled in us. That is how the true Christian establishes the law, by keeping it. Just as Paul said in Rom 3.31

The Christian does no such thing, though many think this. Wonder why? Oh I've been to church where this is pushed for manipulation purposes in reality. I say this because nothing else ever seems to be preached. It is if there aren't any Christians present the need to be feed. They're starving too!!! And I grieve very much. Many fall away because of this very thing.

You said the law still exist. You said, that a true Christian cannot practice sin. The true Christian is abiding in the law! He is not practicing sin; therefore he is not under it. He is establishing the law by obeying the Creator and "walking in His ways." Zech 3.7

Very bad algebraic logic IMHO.

The law is HOLY, JUST and GOOD.

And who denies this? You get the Family Circus NOT ME!

 

[from scratch]

Rabbits nibble.

Yeppers Jack has been in my garden. Seems like he goes right through stock fencing without much trouble. Gotta put de dogs on it.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Dats a big rat on!!! That covenant doesn't apply to me as a Christian. The Holy Spirit personally spoke to me on that issue. Scripture bears this out and witnesses to this fact.

this is the crux of our disagreement. i believe that the law represents God's way, in which He wants us to walk and you believe that it was the old covnenat.

so, when you read deut 8:6 and deut 26:17, you read that saying that the law is a "covenant"? will you explain to me how you read these two verses?

No kiddin? Why then didn't he refer to the law directly?

by reading the verse context, it seems to me that he's discussing the "works of the flesh" (gal 5:16) and the "fruit of the spirit".

Doesn't he call the law the flesh? Read Romans. And don't forget the throwing out of the woman illustrating the law. Wonder why he used a woman for this ilustration. In Romans he uses a man. Had to include it to show I'm not anti woman. Sorry for you feminists.

i don't recall where paul referred to the law as the flesh and can't really respond to this and the woman thing unless you're more specific.

Incidence isn't obedience, ever. Paul isn't showing, referring to or telling us to follow the law. This keeps everything following the same pattern of being severed from the law as a Christian. I Tim 1:8-10 also shows this very clearly for those who understand who the righteous are.[/QUOTE]

it's not about incidence, rather to me, it's about are you willing to quit living your life the you are or are you willing to accept the way God has set that's pleasing to him. that way to me, is set forth by His law (deut 8:6, 26:17).

i've discussed why i differ from you in your assessment of 1tim 1.

and, you still have to explain this verse to me:

1 Corinthians 7:19(NKJV)
19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

 

[Frogster]

Rabbits nibble.Yeppers Jack has been in my garden. Seems like he goes right through stock fencing without much trouble. Gotta put de dogs on it.

bean him with a 22. At least you are allowed to eat em, not bound by antiquated mosaic food laws. I think rabbits are unclean, like frogs, looks like me and Johnrabbit are 1.:o

 

[Frogster]

this is the crux of our disagreement. i believe that the law represents God's way, in which He wants us to walk and you believe that it was the old covnenat.

so, when you read deut 8:6 and deut 26:17, you read that saying that the law is a "covenant"? will you explain to me how you read these two verses?



by reading the verse context, it seems to me that he's discussing the "works of the flesh" (gal 3:16) and the "fruit of the spirit".

I don't getcha on gal 3;16? Whatcha sayin?


16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I don't getcha on gal 3;16? Whatcha sayin?


16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.


yeah, i know it don't make sense using that verse, a typo.

my bad, i corrected it.

 

[JohnRabbit]

bean him with a 22. At least you are allowed to eat em, not bound by antiquated mosaic food laws. I think rabbits are unclean, like frogs, looks like me and Johnrabbit are 1.:o

can't wait 'till you take your show on the road!

you're gonna kill'em in cleveland.

 

[from scratch]

this is the crux of our disagreement. i believe that the law represents God's way, in which He wants us to walk and you believe that it was the old covnenat.

so, when you read deut 8:6 and deut 26:17, you read that saying that the law is a "covenant"? will you explain to me how you read these two verses?

Sure thing, no problemo. Who is thou in either of the verses? Please explain how it means anyone other than Isrealites.

by reading the verse context, it seems to me that he's discussing the "works of the flesh" (gal 5:16) and the "fruit of the spirit".

Surely you're not saying that those works of the flesh aren't sin as listed in v 19-21. V 19 starts of with Now the works of the flesh are manifest , which are these; adlutery....

i don't recall where paul referred to the law as the flesh and can't really respond to this and the woman thing unless you're more specific.

Just for starters how bout - Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

And - Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Incidence isn't obedience, ever. Paul isn't showing, referring to or telling us to follow the law. This keeps everything following the same pattern of being severed from the law as a Christian. I Tim 1:8-10 also shows this very clearly for those who understand who the righteous are.

it's not about incidence, rather to me, it's about are you willing to quit living your life the you are or are you willing to accept the way God has set that's pleasing to him. that way to me, is set forth by His law (deut 8:6, 26:17).

NO SALE!!! It is about being justified by the law. How's that for not beating the bushes? You just need to get around the door some way. Sorry that won't work. Jesus said so in John 10:1 and 14:6.

i've discussed why i differ from you in your assessment of 1tim 1.

I don't recall. Please refresh my memory. Thanks.

and, you still have to explain this verse to me:

1 Corinthians 7:19(NKJV)
19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

I think it is very self explanatory in context. Here ya go -
17But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
20Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
22For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

 

[from scratch]

bean him with a 22. At least you are allowed to eat em, not bound by antiquated mosaic food laws. I think rabbits are unclean, like frogs, looks like me and Johnrabbit are 1.:o

OK after I quit laughing so hard. After reading rabbits post it took me a bit to unsderstand who said what.

 

[from scratch]

I don't getcha on gal 3;16? Whatcha sayin?


16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.

did ya try 5:16? That is the only thing that fit for me.

 

[YosemiteSam]

My last post!

I guess by now you have read my post #262. I assume that we do understand that the 10 commandments were not nailed to the cross. Thinking on this today, I decided to write a short summary on Rom chapter 7. I think it brings clear that the law is not only proven to be God's way of life but also the true Christian! I also believe that the bible supports the fact that God's law is more binding on the true Christian than anyone else.

I will gloss over a few things which I think are easily understood and place an emphasis on several of the points during this post.

Rom 7.7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not. No, I would not have known sin, but by the law: for I would not have known lust except the law said, "Thou shall not covet." Here, Paul, expressly states that the law is not sin. And what law was he speaking of? You will find "thou shall not covet" in the 10 Commandments of God!

Rom 7.8 "But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment produced in me all manner of evil desire." (Here, Paul, is obviously highly sensitive or his senses heightened and is looking closely in the mirror. He has something to compare sin against. Now notice what he says next.) "For apart from the law sin was dead." Without the law, one has no knowledge of what sin is! Sin then would be dead. This is backed up in his next statement.

Rom 7.9 "For I was alive without the law once:" This brings several things into view. That the law (the 10 Commandments) were not nailed or abolished at the cross. Christ was crucified much earlier than when Paul became converted. Paul says he did not have the law while he was alive. Several things to be considered: Paul was a Pharisee, Paul was a jew, Paul studied at the feet of Gamiel, Paul didn't have the law, even then! Interesting to say the least when careful thought is given. But yet it (the law) came to him after Christ was sacrificed on the cross. "But when the commandment came, sin revived and I died." Paul, now knew (that is he had understanding), that he was a sinner and under the penalty of death.

Rom 7.10 "And the commandment, which was ordained to life," (Christ said, "If you wish to enter into life keep the commandments.), "I found to be unto death." Paul, knew that he was under the penalty of the law. He was under the death penalty.

Rom 7.11 "For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me." The knowledge of sin comes by the law. The law tells us what sin is! Rom 3:20 "...For by the law is the knowledge of sin." Go back and read of Paul's conversion. Paul's earlier history such as his studying with Gamiel and even being a Pharisee was not when he received understanding and wisdom. Remember, Paul went to Arabia after the Damascus road event, and was personally taught by Christ. An event which took 3 years!

Rom 7.12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."

Rom 7.13 "Was thin that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin," The knowledge sin comes by the law! It was the law that pointed, or made known to Paul what sin was. "working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful."

Go on and read Paul's internal struggle with sin, throughout the rest of this chapter. Paul stresses, throughout his writings that the true Christian must work at over coming sin. This cannot be done alone. God must be the one to do it, by living in the person! Gal 2:20-21

I think Rom 3:21-22 says it all. "But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets." How can something that is supposedly been abolished or nailed to the cross be a witness? "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference." The law and the prophets are a witness to the true Christians as well.

Thank you

 

[from scratch]

key word here is practice if you haven't noticed. This is why we have I John 1:9-2:1.

Correct. He cannot practice sin just as scripture says. How does he know what sin is. 1 jn 3:4 "For sin is the transgression of the law."

No righteousness is established by the keeping of the law.

Lets not take it out of context as you just did! What does it say? "That the righteousness of the law (righteousness is of the law) might be fullfilled in us. Remember, the law is Holy, Just and Good!

The righteousness of the Christian is through (courtesy of) the blood of Jesus Christ by declaration - Romans 4.

Again you have misread or misquoted. Chapter 4 deals with the Abraham's faith. Righteousness was accounted because of his faith and the mercy of our Creator. v 3 "...Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.." Righteousness came by faith and mercy!

Let me also draw your attention since we are here to verse 16..."Therefore it is of faith,that it might be by grace to the end of the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law (not just the law), but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham (same type of faith), who is the father of us all." Not just the law but also faith. Both!

Rom 10:5 "For Moses writes the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which does them shall live by them.

See there is a righteousness that is of the law!

Rom 3:31 " Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law." The true Christian upholds the law.

Rom 3:21-22 The Law and the Prophets testify of the righteousness from God comes through faith!

And the true Christian understands John 15:10. And no Jesus didn't say one can inherit eternal life by keeping the 10 Cs only to say if you're gettin in it will be through Me and no other way - not by keeping the 10 Cs or any of the law.

I think Matt 19 is very clear on this point. Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Here Christ says, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS if you want to enter into life!

Now notice what Paul says here...rom 6.16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death (transgression of God's law), or of obedience unto righteousness? (Obeying the will of God)"

1 JN 5:3 "For this is the love of God that we keep his commandments."

The law is HOLY, JUST and GOOD.And who denies this? You get the Family Circus NOT ME!

Because you delight in messing up the quote feature I will respond in sequence to your words which are in color.

Sin was in the world before the Law. While this doesn't void your proof text of what sin is, the definition isn't fool proof in that disobedience to the law is the only thing that sin is. We also have the exact same style of sentence structure in this verse ...for whatever is not of faith is sin. So your definition isn't conclusive or rather excluxsive in defining sin.

Oh please. we have Ps 14:3, 53:3, Isa 64:6 besides Paul's statements such as Roman 3:23. I in no way implied that we keep the law thus fulfilling it. Jesus did that for us ans we have no need to physically do it. Besides we're not the old man (Adam) anymore Romans 6.

You're clearly saying we're righteous by the keeping of the law by saying we violate it.

You have no argument with me that the law is holy, just and good. This statement found in Romans doesn't constitute a command to observe the law as demontrated through out Romans and Galatians. Thus you've done nothing except used a proof text to establish something that isn't so. This violates the 9th commandment of bearing false witness.

How have I twisted or misused Romans 4? You even quoted v 3 and totally ignore v 4-8. Directly to my point is v 8 ...God imputed righteousness without works, This is a declaration of righteousness outside the law and can't be obtained any other way. It is strictly a gift from God (Romans 6:23) and not by works which bring death. I simply love Ehp 2:8,9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

And no righteousness didn't come by grace and mercy. It came by imputation/declaration per Romans 4.

If one reads verse 16 they will see that not to that only which is of the law calls this those obligated to the law Isrealites.

Sure if one is of the law they are obligated to the law. However the Christian isn't of the law. The very quick anwser is Gal 3:1-3. Romans 10:4 states Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness.

And Jesus said that righteousness won't get you admittance to eternal life or heaven - John 14:6 and see also chapter 10.

If the true Christian upholds the law, really meaning that they are obligated to the law, then Paul isn't inspired by God when he says But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law or to throw the law out in Gal 4:30. So one must deny the Scripture to believe this and can't be a Christian IMHO.

Romans 3:21, 22 doesn't say that at all. It clearly says - righteousness of God without the law. So yes it comes by faith as you said and not by the law. But thewords after the reference are your comments and not the Scripture.

In Mat 19 Jesus is giving the required anwser to a fool's question ask in direct contradiction to OT Scripture. Notice the testimony is that the young man followed the whole law and left sorrowfully. Jesus didn't condemn the man. The law doesn't require anyone to sell everything to come into compliance with the law. I really don't think that the young man worshipped his wealth or was greedy.

Furthermore if one can indeed keep the commandments there is no need of a Saviour. But as I already pointed out the righteousness we need only come by imputation/declaration of God and can'tbeobtained by one's own efforts. Gal5:4 applies here. Make your choice - the law or Jesus redemptive salvation. One can't have both it is either or. Your demand is the law over Jesus, sorry.

But you over look I John 3:23.

 

[from scratch]

My last post!

I guess by now you have read my post #262. I assume that we do understand that the 10 commandments were not nailed to the cross. Thinking on this today, I decided to write a short summary on Rom chapter 7. I think it brings clear that the law is not only proven to be God's way of life but also the true Christian! I also believe that the bible supports the fact that God's law is more binding on the true Christian than anyone else.

I sorry if you've missed Frogster's posting on this very thing. I'm not going to go looking for it. Sorry.

I will gloss over a few things which I think are easily understood and place an emphasis on several of the points during this post.

Rom 7.7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not. No, I would not have known sin, but by the law: for I would not have known lust except the law said, "Thou shall not covet." Here, Paul, expressly states that the law is not sin. And what law was he speaking of? You will find "thou shall not covet" in the 10 Commandments of God!

Rom 7.8 "But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment produced in me all manner of evil desire." (Here, Paul, is obviously highly sensitive or his senses heightened and is looking closely in the mirror. He has something to compare sin against. Now notice what he says next.) "For apart from the law sin was dead." Without the law, one has no knowledge of what sin is! Sin then would be dead. This is backed up in his next statement.

Rom 7.9 "For I was alive without the law once:" This brings several things into view. That the law (the 10 Commandments) were not nailed or abolished at the cross. Christ was crucified much earlier than when Paul became converted. Paul says he did not have the law while he was alive. Several things to be considered: Paul was a Pharisee, Paul was a jew, Paul studied at the feet of Gamiel, Paul didn't have the law, even then! Interesting to say the least when careful thought is given. But yet it (the law) came to him after Christ was sacrificed on the cross. "But when the commandment came, sin revived and I died." Paul, now knew (that is he had understanding), that he was a sinner and under the penalty of death.

Rom 7.10 "And the commandment, which was ordained to life," (Christ said, "If you wish to enter into life keep the commandments.), "I found to be unto death." Paul, knew that he was under the penalty of the law. He was under the death penalty.

Rom 7.11 "For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me." The knowledge of sin comes by the law. The law tells us what sin is! Rom 3:20 "...For by the law is the knowledge of sin." Go back and read of Paul's conversion. Paul's earlier history such as his studying with Gamiel and even being a Pharisee was not when he received understanding and wisdom. Remember, Paul went to Arabia after the Damascus road event, and was personally taught by Christ. An event which took 3 years!

So why the denial of what Paul wrote if Jesus personally taught him for 3 years? I sure don't understand.

Rom 7.12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."

Rom 7.13 "Was thin that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin," The knowledge sin comes by the law! It was the law that pointed, or made known to Paul what sin was. "working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful."

Go on and read Paul's internal struggle with sin, throughout the rest of this chapter. Paul stresses, throughout his writings that the true Christian must work at over coming sin. This cannot be done alone. God must be the one to do it, by living in the person! Gal 2:20-21

I think Rom 3:21-22 says it all. "But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets." How can something that is supposedly been abolished or nailed to the cross be a witness? "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference." The law and the prophets are a witness to the true Christians as well.

Thank you

Very good! you have pointed out that indeed the law was our schoolmaster pointing us to our need of a solution and Jesus Christ. Did you miss the potty trainig comments?

 

[YosemiteSam]

I sorry if you've missed Frogster's posting on this very thing. I'm not going to go looking for it. Sorry.So why the denial of what Paul wrote if Jesus personally taught him for 3 years? I sure don't understand.Very good! you have pointed out that indeed the law was our schoolmaster pointing us to our need of a solution and Jesus Christ. Did you miss the potty trainig comments?

As usual you missed the point. and I did not point out that the 10 were a schoolmaster. That was your imagination tricking you again. The point is that paul taught that the true christian must obey god and keep his commandments...the same that christ did! Cor 9.17 circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of god. Paul never taught true christians not to obey gods spiritual law (the 10), for that would be in the spirit of the anti-christ.