Constitution's "Natural Born" riddle solved! Read the shocking truth here!

[pennmark]

Sure, just realize that has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitutional requirements for the presidency. Fact is, Barack Sr. abandoned his son when he was 2, and met him again only once when the boy was 10. Saying that he "belonged" to his father is laughable given the circumstances, much less that it has any impact in our legal system.

At birth, he was meant to be God's reward to his Father. Whether his Father accepted and respected God's reward was up to him.

I find it hard to believe that he completely abandoned his son. His son led a rich life, going to the finest schools for his education. Where did the money come from?

 

[Incariol]

At birth, he was meant to be God's reward to his Father. Whether his Father accepted and respected God's reward was up to him.

...and God's reward to his mother, equally.

I find it hard to believe that he completely abandoned his son. His son led a rich life, going to the finest schools for his education. Where did the money come from?

His grandparents, one of whom was a bank executive. This is in all the basic biographies of our President.

 

[tulc]

The Bible doesn't outright define "Natural Born". In order for our definition of Natural Born to be truly natural, however, we need to respect God's natural law that children are God's reward to their Fathers.

So..Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson,, Herbert Hoover, Woodrow Wilson, James Buchanan and Chester Arthur were all not President's either?
tulc(back from the wilds of western Illinois)

 

[RETS]

At birth, he was meant to be God's reward to his Father. Whether his Father accepted and respected God's reward was up to him.

I find it hard to believe that he completely abandoned his son. His son led a rich life, going to the finest schools for his education. Where did the money come from?

Penn, though it pains me to do so, I have to point out that Incariol is correct. According to everything which Obama wrote, he never knew his father apart from a single, memorable meeting at a young age. His father did abandon him- Or his mother left him... Some recent developments cloud that issue a bit.

Regardless, you are also a bit mistaken in regards to the emphasis you've placed on fatherhood at the expense of motherhood. I realize you're probably coming from a KJV standpoint, but regardless- Women have as much importance and significance in a child's life as the father does. In situations like mine and thousands of others, they have more.

You would do well to acknowledge a short sight on your behalf in this instance.

 

[szechuan]

Maybe I was mistaken to believe that "Natural Born" was not a legal term. It is a legal term, but it's meaning is derived from Natural Law. It has a real meaning, and it's meaning cannot be changed by Human Law.

Yeah it can.

 

[Icewater]

While it may be prudent to address the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen" for future cases, it isn't really relevant to Obama because no court in the land would be insane enough to nullify the results of an election over something so vague.

 

[pennmark]

...and God's reward to his mother, equally.

His Mother was also God's reward to his Father. Psalm 128.

 

[RETS]

His Mother was also God's reward to his Father. Psalm 128.

And you miss everything...

 

[pennmark]

Regardless, you are also a bit mistaken in regards to the emphasis you've placed on fatherhood at the expense of motherhood. I realize you're probably coming from a KJV standpoint, but regardless- Women have as much importance and significance in a child's life as the father does. In situations like mine and thousands of others, they have more.

My standpoint doesn't emphasize fatherhood at the expense of motherhood. Mothering is important, certainly.

The issue is what makes a person a "natural born citizen", or as I would say, "a person made a citizen at birth by God". You were made a citizen of your Father's nation at birth by God, because you were God's reward to your Father. Not all men can become citizens in their wife's country. God would want a man's country to accept his children as citizens, because God wants men to raise their children.

Countries can recognize other forms of birthright citizenship, of course, but those are legal, not natural.

 

[pennmark]

Yeah it can.

So, how can humans change what is natural?

 

[RETS]

My standpoint doesn't emphasize fatherhood at the expense of motherhood. Mothering is important, certainly.

The issue is what makes a person a "natural born citizen", or as I would say, "a person made a citizen at birth by God". You were made a citizen of your Father's nation at birth by God, because you were God's reward to your Father. Not all men can become citizens in their wife's country. God would want a man's country to accept his children as citizens, because God wants men to raise their children.

Countries can recognize other forms of birthright citizenship, of course, but those are legal, not natural.

My mind is literally boggling right now with the weight of your reasoning...

The first thing that hits me is that you seem to be the one human capable of grasping the mind of God. More will probably come.

 

[tulc]

My standpoint doesn't emphasize fatherhood at the expense of motherhood. Mothering is important, certainly.

The issue is what makes a person a "natural born citizen", or as I would say, "a person made a citizen at birth by God". You were made a citizen of your Father's nation at birth by God, because you were God's reward to your Father. Not all men can become citizens in their wife's country. God would want a man's country to accept his children as citizens, because God wants men to raise their children.

Countries can recognize other forms of birthright citizenship, of course, but those are legal, not natural.

And you can prove this theory using American law?
tulc(just wondering)

 

[tulc]

So, how can humans change what is natural?

Well...since you haven't shown you're right about any of this it seems we mere mortals are more then capable of determining who is or isn't a "natural born citizen" of our country.
tulc(needs more coffee soon!)

 

[Maren]

Well...since you haven't shown you're right about any of this it seems we mere mortals are more then capable of determining who is or isn't a "natural born citizen" of our country.
tulc(needs more coffee soon!)

Especially when, while using Old Testament reasoning, he hasn't explained why being Jewish is tracked through the mother, not the father as he claims the Bible calls for.

 

[pennmark]

Especially when, while using Old Testament reasoning, he hasn't explained why being Jewish is tracked through the mother, not the father as he claims the Bible calls for.

Not all Jews trace through the Mother. The old school Jews don't. I said earlier, that is an interesting custom, and I can't find anything in the Bible to support it.

 

[pennmark]

And you can prove this theory using American law?
tulc(just wondering)

No, I'm citing natural law, the Holy Bible, and some logic. It's only logical that if God rewards Fathers with children, he would want Fathers to be able to raise their children. A Father could not properly raise his children and enjoy his reward if his children were not citizens of his country.

 

[pennmark]

So..Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson,, Herbert Hoover, Woodrow Wilson, James Buchanan and Chester Arthur were all not President's either?
tulc(back from the wilds of western Illinois)

I've done a little research on Chester Arthur. His Father was a British subject when little Chester was born. He lied about his family's past in order to gain the Vice-Presidential nomination. He never would have been allowed on the ticket if the public knew the truth.

 

[Incariol]

And you can prove this theory using American law?
tulc(just wondering)

No,<irrelevance snipped>

Excellent, glad we've wrapped that up. /thread

 

[pennmark]

Excellent, glad we've wrapped that up. /thread

Show me where natural born citizen is defined in the Constitution.

 

[RETS]

Show me where natural born citizen is defined in the Constitution.

You really didn't ask that, did you? Really?