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Is contemporary christian music "conforming to the world"

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I originally posted this in the contemp. christian thread, but I figured Id post it here too. I just want to hear people's opinions and what not. Not really looking for a debate or anything. I'm just bored...and curious ;)


And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Rom 12:2

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I'm bored and would like some opinions. With that verse (Rom 12:2) in mind do you think contemporary christian music is ok? I know many people who would say that christian rock, rap, metal, etc etc would be conforming to the world's standards. I'm troubled by that because I LOVE music. As an example lets say there's a heavy rock band that is made up of christian members. Some of their songs mention God, some dont, and some do but in a way that can have different meanings for different people of different faiths and views. Would that be conforming to the world? Where do you draw the line on these things? I would like your opinions and inputs! Thanks
 

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Short answer is no the lyrics serve God that is all that matters. If you enjoy worshiping God to it and can worship to it then great. That's all God cares about is the worship. It's not conforming at all it is still music of God and for God.


Good point
 
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I originally posted this in the contemp. christian thread, but I figured Id post it here too. I just want to hear people's opinions and what not. Not really looking for a debate or anything. I'm just bored...and curious ;)


And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Rom 12:2

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I'm bored and would like some opinions. With that verse (Rom 12:2) in mind do you think contemporary christian music is ok? I know many people who would say that christian rock, rap, metal, etc etc would be conforming to the world's standards. I'm troubled by that because I LOVE music. As an example lets say there's a heavy rock band that is made up of christian members. Some of their songs mention God, some dont, and some do but in a way that can have different meanings for different people of different faiths and views. Would that be conforming to the world? Where do you draw the line on these things? I would like your opinions and inputs! Thanks

This is a topic we're discussing in our church right now. Al Mohler has also tackled this issue a couple of times.

I went to our local Christian radio station's website and took a look at their playlist. Out of the top ten songs, not one of them say anything about repentance, the cross, the blood, or God's holiness.

The first song is called "Say What You Believe" and I can't find anything in the lyrics to indicate that it's a Christian song at all. The second song is just as bad. There's nothing in the lyrics to indicate that it's a Christian song. Neither one of them even mention Jesus.

The third song is called "The Shelter" and I guess it's at least a step in the right direction because it at least mentions God. But the theology in the song is horrible. According to the song, we don't come to Christ for forgiveness or to be reconciled to God, but because we're "broken" and want to have a better life. If I were a lost person, I'd have no idea from listening to this song how to come to Christ or why Christ should even matter, but I'd also come away thinking Christ is nothing more than a life enhancement program for a bunch of basket case whiners.

Going downhill from there is a song called "Take You Away". What makes this song Christian? The gist of the song is that you've had a really bad day and somebody's coming to get you and take you somewhere? Where? Who? For what purpose? What if we don't want to go? For all I know, they could be coming to take you to the local bar to get drunk and drown your sorrows.

Next is "Something Vague"...er, I mean, "Something Glorious." What makes this song Christian? The only reference to God is "the maker of it all". At least, I assume that's supposed to be God. But which God? Don't Muslims believe their god created it all? Don't Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses believe their god created it all? And what does any of this have to do with us? OK. God created everything. Now what?

That's just the top five. Sadly, it doesn't get any better.

Why can't CCM produce a song that glorifies God or that can at least be easily identified as a Christian song?
 
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I originally posted this in the contemp. christian thread, but I figured Id post it here too. I just want to hear people's opinions and what not. Not really looking for a debate or anything. I'm just bored...and curious ;)

No. If it were conforming to the world, it would try to be good. :p

All kidding aside, I don't see a problem with CCM (other than that there are very few CCM acts that I consider to be good musicians), but then again I don't see anything wrong with contemporary music as a whole.

This is a topic we're discussing in our church right now. Al Mohler has also tackled this issue a couple of times.

I went to our local Christian radio station's website and took a look at their playlist. Out of the top ten songs, not one of them say anything about repentance, the cross, the blood, or God's holiness.

The first song is called "Say What You Believe" and I can't find anything in the lyrics to indicate that it's a Christian song at all. The second song is just as bad. There's nothing in the lyrics to indicate that it's a Christian song. Neither one of them even mention Jesus.

The third song is called "The Shelter" and I guess it's at least a step in the right direction because it at least mentions God. But the theology in the song is horrible. According to the song, we don't come to Christ for forgiveness or to be reconciled to God, but because we're "broken" and want to have a better life. If I were a lost person, I'd have no idea from listening to this song how to come to Christ or why Christ should even matter, but I'd also come away thinking Christ is nothing more than a life enhancement program for a bunch of basket case whiners.

Going downhill from there is a song called "Take You Away". What makes this song Christian? The gist of the song is that you've had a really bad day and somebody's coming to get you and take you somewhere? Where? Who? For what purpose? What if we don't want to go? For all I know, they could be coming to take you to the local bar to get drunk and drown your sorrows.

Next is "Something Vague"...er, I mean, "Something Glorious." What makes this song Christian? The only reference to God is "the maker of it all". At least, I assume that's supposed to be God. But which God? Don't Muslims believe their god created it all? Don't Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses believe their god created it all? And what does any of this have to do with us? OK. God created everything. Now what?

That's just the top five. Sadly, it doesn't get any better.

Why can't CCM produce a song that glorifies God or that can at least be easily identified as a Christian song?

Within CCM, there are differing types. There is Christian rock, rap, pop, etc.
Then, there is contemporary worship music. And, some "Christian" radio stations also emphasize something called "positive hits" (or "Family Friendly hits").

The first category tend to be artists who at least some of the time try to incorporate Christian theology into their lyrics. It might be something as simple as mentioning God's goodness, grace and mercy or it may provide deeper insights into atonement, morality, etc. It is worth noting that just because an artist is considered CCM, that does not mean that every song will discuss Christian theology, nor does it mean that the theology will be plainly stated and obvious to a casual listener.

The second category tends to be more outspokenly Christian. The purpose of CWM is to focus the listener's thoughts on the goodness of God and whatever aspect of God the songwriter wants to focus on. These might be hymns rearranged in a contemporary format or they might be new songs. You are more likely to find rich Christian theology in CWM than you are in CCM.

The last category is music by "secular" artists that are known for producing music that is not contrary to Christian values, do not use obscene language, do not sing about topics that would be offensive to Christians, and tend to focus on "positive" topics.

Each Christian radio station has a different mix of each. Some stations play mostly the first and third (sounds like the station you are talking about). Some play mostly from the first and second. And, some play a decent mix of each.
 
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This is a topic we're discussing in our church right now. Al Mohler has also tackled this issue a couple of times.

I went to our local Christian radio station's website and took a look at their playlist. Out of the top ten songs, not one of them say anything about repentance, the cross, the blood, or God's holiness.

The first song is called "Say What You Believe" and I can't find anything in the lyrics to indicate that it's a Christian song at all. The second song is just as bad. There's nothing in the lyrics to indicate that it's a Christian song. Neither one of them even mention Jesus.

The third song is called "The Shelter" and I guess it's at least a step in the right direction because it at least mentions God. But the theology in the song is horrible. According to the song, we don't come to Christ for forgiveness or to be reconciled to God, but because we're "broken" and want to have a better life. If I were a lost person, I'd have no idea from listening to this song how to come to Christ or why Christ should even matter, but I'd also come away thinking Christ is nothing more than a life enhancement program for a bunch of basket case whiners.

Going downhill from there is a song called "Take You Away". What makes this song Christian? The gist of the song is that you've had a really bad day and somebody's coming to get you and take you somewhere? Where? Who? For what purpose? What if we don't want to go? For all I know, they could be coming to take you to the local bar to get drunk and drown your sorrows.

Next is "Something Vague"...er, I mean, "Something Glorious." What makes this song Christian? The only reference to God is "the maker of it all". At least, I assume that's supposed to be God. But which God? Don't Muslims believe their god created it all? Don't Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses believe their god created it all? And what does any of this have to do with us? OK. God created everything. Now what?

That's just the top five. Sadly, it doesn't get any better.

Why can't CCM produce a song that glorifies God or that can at least be easily identified as a Christian song?

your station plays weird music I have never heard those songs

ours plays like Hillsong, Hillsong United, Chris Tomlin, David Crowder Band, Jars of Clay, News Boys, Mercy Me those bands are great and there music is all about God
 
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If we're not playing a harp like David did....we are all on the road to destruction...oh excuse me, not the Church of Christ, they're a cappella, lol , and no I'm not C of C.

I can't tell if you mean that or if you're being sarcastic :doh:

excuse me...i can be slow at times :o
 
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All the Bible says is to make a joyful noise for him it doesn't say anything about genre or style nothing just make music for the lord that's it plain and simple we as humans like to over think things wayyyyy to much in reality sometimes I think God wants us to just stick to the basics =]
 
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All the Bible says is to make a joyful noise for him it doesn't say anything about genre or style nothing just make music for the lord that's it plain and simple we as humans like to over think things wayyyyy to much in reality sometimes I think God wants us to just stick to the basics =]

I think on some things its ok to go beyond the "basics", but I see your point! :)
 
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same here. I think if you can't understand the lyrics, if its drowned out by the music or the beat then it's conforming to the world.

I once went to a christian music festival (before I was really born again, although I was interested and was going to church for a while) and thought they'd be singing gospel style and there would be uplifiting music that really praised God I was so dissapointed it just souinded like ordinary rock/rap/dance/alternative music but with 'christian' sounding lyrics or stuff that made Jesus seem like a really good boyfriend/lover/buddy. It just made me really confused, also not ONE person ever explained the gospel to me the whole time I was there, there was no prayer..nothing. Maybe they just assumed that all the people there were already christians..it was all rather strange for me. Maybe if I went back there again this time as born again I would feel differently. I don't know..music never converted me.
 
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As a musician who has and still does both Christian and secular music, and no, I'm not anyone famous, etc, but I have done a lot gigs over the years of my life, I'd have to say it depends on the artist and where their heart is. I've had the fortune to meet people such as Larry Norman, Barry McGuire, and other pioneers of the early Jesus Music years, and I've met other folks known and unknown over the years who do contemporary Christian music across several genres. Most of the people I've met were solid Christians sold out to the Lord, and I've met some that I thought were in it just to have some sort of music career. Like any other Christian, those who do pursue music as a career or ministry have their struggles in life too. Yes some Christian artists have had personal issues with sin in their life, yet such things can happen to pastors and teachers and the common lot of those of us who are Christians. We all need to stay in our walk in Christ daily, be we school teachers, computer techs, bakers and house painters, etc.

I think the current Christian music industry has spawned a lot of mediocrity very similar to what goes on in the secular music industry, but that's always been part of the deal with any music industry and across several popular genres of music. There are however many Christian artists, who do have a genuine heart for what they are doing, and being a musician or other artist is a legitimate career option for those who are so gifted and inclined to pursue. That's my two cents worth on the subject.
 
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same here. I think if you can't understand the lyrics, if its drowned out by the music or the beat then it's conforming to the world.

I once went to a christian music festival (before I was really born again, although I was interested and was going to church for a while) and thought they'd be singing gospel style and there would be uplifiting music that really praised God I was so dissapointed it just souinded like ordinary rock/rap/dance/alternative music but with 'christian' sounding lyrics or stuff that made Jesus seem like a really good boyfriend/lover/buddy. It just made me really confused, also not ONE person ever explained the gospel to me the whole time I was there, there was no prayer..nothing. Maybe they just assumed that all the people there were already christians..it was all rather strange for me. Maybe if I went back there again this time as born again I would feel differently. I don't know..music never converted me.

I have been to several christian music festivals over the years and I have never been to one like what you describe. In fact, the thing I generally don't like about ccm festivals is that they are usually too preachy.
 
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same here. I think if you can't understand the lyrics, if its drowned out by the music or the beat then it's conforming to the world.

I once went to a christian music festival (before I was really born again, although I was interested and was going to church for a while) and thought they'd be singing gospel style and there would be uplifiting music that really praised God I was so dissapointed it just souinded like ordinary rock/rap/dance/alternative music but with 'christian' sounding lyrics or stuff that made Jesus seem like a really good boyfriend/lover/buddy. It just made me really confused, also not ONE person ever explained the gospel to me the whole time I was there, there was no prayer..nothing. Maybe they just assumed that all the people there were already christians..it was all rather strange for me. Maybe if I went back there again this time as born again I would feel differently. I don't know..music never converted me.

I was present at the Creation Festival every year from 1987 to 1994.

My experience was similar to yours.
 
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How is a particular style of music conforming to the world? Are Christians who listen to classical music conformed to the world? Were hymns written and listened to 300 years ago conformed to the world? Since they were modern back then? Or how about this, when music began to be accompanied in services, which was taken from pagan religions, were we conforming to the world then? Modern christianity has borrowed many things from pagan cultures and it's been that way for the past 1700 years.
 
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