Why is god biased?

[oi_antz]

So it's all about having faith.. basically it boils down to having faith that god's moral standards are right and his will is the best for us.. is that right?

What is your motivation Asvin? I remember reading from you in a previous post a month or two ago that you had become Christian, what exactly do you hope to get by being Christian? Better grades on your exams? You need to investigate this because it seems to me that the wrong motive will not produce the right results. Also, when you humbled yourself and repented, why did you repent? You need to investigate your motive, is it "me me me" or is it truly that you want to do what is in Jesus' best interests? Because being Christian is not something you can say "I'm in" when you feel like it and "I'm out" when you don't. If you find the narrow gate and go through it, you are in for life. You can't treat Jesus like a door mat expecting Him to make your life better, that isn't His deal. Do you understand? You need to investigate whether you want to be Christian for His sake or your own sake.

The Way of the Cross

34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save their life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it.

Read this, let it sink in. What does it mean when you read it? Does it mean that getting better grades is what Jesus wants you to do?

 

[drich0150]

I assume nothing..

your god told me that it would make it clear to me...

I;ve asked this question before How When and Where did "he" tell you this?

I am asking why it didn't and why it supposedly did to you and millions of other christians?

..And I told you. Rather than seek God on His terms your built a box or rather you have a preconceived idea of what God is and are demanding that He meet this idea. Rather than do what all who know God have done...

We all have sought God on His terms, using His conditions and His scripture. You say you have done this but the things you list are not consistent with what scripture says. You are simply trying to use "scripture" to make God comply to your expectations of Him.

Now what is it? Is your god selective or am i not too worthy?

In your present state, no. Pride is what is keeping your from Him. Your are so Proud, that the idea that you are not "worthy" seems foolish to you. When in fact this is exactly what is happening. Why are you not worthy? It is because of your pride/sin.

Mathew 7:7.. why would god give that analogy and promise if it's not his will?

I Showed you very specifically in Luke by using more than one little verse, That this verse in Mt is not a free for all. Meaning you can not simply "wish" and demand that God grant your wish.

Are you picking and choosing stuff that best suits your understanding of god?

Aren't you projecting you knowledge and understanding of God on to me?

Because what I have done is taken an entire chapter of the bible to illustrate a principle. What you did however is far different. You took one verse out of it's context and applied it to what your heart truly wants, rather than what God has offered. (He offers the Holy Spirit.) Because you do not want what God offers you focous on the one small little area of the bible that will allow to make wishes.

All I am saying is that he promised me something, and didn't offer it.. how hard is that for you to understand?

How hard is it for you to understand that you can not take a verse out of it's context and build a personal doctrine on it and expect God to honor your personal version of the bible. "We" must look at scripture as a whole compile all relevant verses and then reconcile any differences between them and then compile a doctrine. You will not even acknowledge Luke 11 simply because it contradicts your understanding of what you are clinging to in Mt 7.

I don't remember the exact date and time, but it was within the last 4-5 days!

If what you were told does not comply with what is written in scripture then what you were "told" is not from the God of the bible. I have shown you that what you have been "told" does not indeed comply with what is written in the bible. That means you are worshiping a different God, loosely based on the bible.

Naaa.. Only I know!

Another example of Pride. Remember Personal Pride, and God will never occupy the same heart. This is ultimately why you do not know God.

You missed the dang point! I didn't ask for everything! I asked for a better grade on an exam!

Then you should have Studied! rather than trying to cast a spell of knowledge using a silly chant against the God of the universe.
I say these things because nothing you have done or said to this point resembles prayer.

Of course I didn't dictate him, he promised it to me for fudge sake! It says it in the bible.. are you picking and choosing?

Picking and choosing would be what you are doing by ignoring Luke 11. you only focus on Mt 7 because you can make it say what you want. You tried to do this with Luke 11 until I made it very clear that, Luke 11 could not be twisted into your personal doctrine, and now you are pretending it does not exist.

No, I mean the obscene four letter word that would get my butt banned if I spell it out!

Try and focus. What was the over all meaning of post in question? did it comply with my last statement?

THERE IS A LACK OF EVIDENCE IN MY LIFE..

Because you do not seek God. You are only seeking your version of Him. This version does not exist. Therefore there will be no evidence.

A LACK OF EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND OF SUPERNATURAL REVELATION OR INTERVENTION..

Again because you do not seek the God of the bible.

FORGET MY STANDARDS.. THERE WAS NO CHANGE.. ZIP.. NADA.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?

Why? because the god you created with your "STANDARDS" is a false god.

Learn to seek God on His terms and you will know God.

HOW MANY TIMES SHOULD I STATE THAT I WAS ONLY ASKING GOD FOR WHAT HE PROMISED? ARE YOU IGNORING THAT HE DID PROMISE THAT IN THE BIBLE?

He did not promise what you have claimed. This is why i can confidently claim you are not worshiping the God of the bible. Because you will not yield your understanding to scripture, and The God found their that means what you want/worship is not that God. It is a version of God you created from scraps of the bible. If not then reconcile the whole of scripture with your personal doctrine and not just look at one verse.

You will be justified if I was asking for something that wasn't promised..

Good because as I have pointed out from Luke 11 you are asking for something that has not been promised.

but I asked for something that god promised to any christian who did his will.. I did.. I asked.. nothing happened.. simple enough for you?

You can say your version of "god" can promise you anything, but because he is not really there, you will never get anything.

You must look at the whole of scripture. Mat 7 fits perfectly with the teachings of Luke 11, only Luke 11 expands on the premise mentioned in mt 7. This means you can not ignore an entire chapter of another book of the gospel because it does not fit your prosperity doctrine.

You have no evidence, nor ever will have (I suspect) because you do not seek God. You only seek your personal version of Him.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So it's all about having faith.. basically it boils down to having faith that god's moral standards are right and his will is the best for us.. is that right?

What's with the creepy eyes? (I think God might be afraid of you. )

 

[Asvin]

What's with the creepy eyes? (I think God might be afraid of you. )

LOL!

 

[Asvin]

I assume nothing..


I;ve asked this question before How When and Where did "he" tell you this?

..And I told you. Rather than seek God on His terms your built a box or rather you have a preconceived idea of what God is and are demanding that He meet this idea. Rather than do what all who know God have done...

We all have sought God on His terms, using His conditions and His scripture. You say you have done this but the things you list are not consistent with what scripture says. You are simply trying to use "scripture" to make God comply to your expectations of Him.


In your present state, no. Pride is what is keeping your from Him. Your are so Proud, that the idea that you are not "worthy" seems foolish to you. When in fact this is exactly what is happening. Why are you not worthy? It is because of your pride/sin.

I Showed you very specifically in Luke by using more than one little verse, That this verse in Mt is not a free for all. Meaning you can not simply "wish" and demand that God grant your wish.


Aren't you projecting you knowledge and understanding of God on to me?

Because what I have done is taken an entire chapter of the bible to illustrate a principle. What you did however is far different. You took one verse out of it's context and applied it to what your heart truly wants, rather than what God has offered. (He offers the Holy Spirit.) Because you do not want what God offers you focous on the one small little area of the bible that will allow to make wishes.


How hard is it for you to understand that you can not take a verse out of it's context and build a personal doctrine on it and expect God to honor your personal version of the bible. "We" must look at scripture as a whole compile all relevant verses and then reconcile any differences between them and then compile a doctrine. You will not even acknowledge Luke 11 simply because it contradicts your understanding of what you are clinging to in Mt 7.


If what you were told does not comply with what is written in scripture then what you were "told" is not from the God of the bible. I have shown you that what you have been "told" does not indeed comply with what is written in the bible. That means you are worshiping a different God, loosely based on the bible.


Another example of Pride. Remember Personal Pride, and God will never occupy the same heart. This is ultimately why you do not know God.

Then you should have Studied! rather than trying to cast a spell of knowledge using a silly chant against the God of the universe.
I say these things because nothing you have done or said to this point resembles prayer.


Picking and choosing would be what you are doing by ignoring Luke 11. you only focus on Mt 7 because you can make it say what you want. You tried to do this with Luke 11 until I made it very clear that, Luke 11 could not be twisted into your personal doctrine, and now you are pretending it does not exist.



Try and focus. What was the over all meaning of post in question? did it comply with my last statement?



Because you do not seek God. You are only seeking your version of Him. This version does not exist. Therefore there will be no evidence.


Again because you do not seek the God of the bible.

Why? because the god you created with your "STANDARDS" is a false god.

Learn to seek God on His terms and you will know God.

He did not promise what you have claimed. This is why i can confidently claim you are not worshiping the God of the bible. Because you will not yield your understanding to scripture, and The God found their that means what you want/worship is not that God. It is a version of God you created from scraps of the bible. If not then reconcile the whole of scripture with your personal doctrine and not just look at one verse.


Good because as I have pointed out from Luke 11 you are asking for something that has not been promised.


You can say your version of "god" can promise you anything, but because he is not really there, you will never get anything.

You must look at the whole of scripture. Mat 7 fits perfectly with the teachings of Luke 11, only Luke 11 expands on the premise mentioned in mt 7. This means you can not ignore an entire chapter of another book of the gospel because it does not fit your prosperity doctrine.

You have no evidence, nor ever will have (I suspect) because you do not seek God. You only seek your personal version of Him.

So you know better than me what I did and behaved as a christian huh? People like you who claim that I created false gods honestly just make it harder for anyone to believe in god.. I do know how christianity is different from other religions in that christians have a personal relationship with their savior/creator.. I did all the things a christian should do! Pray, repent my sins everyday, preach, forgive others, etc. You are trying to accuse me of picking and choosing from mathew and ignoring luke.. even if I added luke, HOW (Please explain to me this time.. I don't want to waste any more time) does that change what god promised? Is it an empty promise? Or is it reserved for certain people? It has to be one of the two, because I didn't get my prayers answered! Telling me that I was never a true convert, demanded too much from god, or created a false god, is just being ignorant!

Now can you answer the OP? Why does god change his ways of revelation?

 

[Asvin]

What is your motivation Asvin? I remember reading from you in a previous post a month or two ago that you had become Christian, what exactly do you hope to get by being Christian? Better grades on your exams? You need to investigate this because it seems to me that the wrong motive will not produce the right results. Also, when you humbled yourself and repented, why did you repent? You need to investigate your motive, is it "me me me" or is it truly that you want to do what is in Jesus' best interests? Because being Christian is not something you can say "I'm in" when you feel like it and "I'm out" when you don't. If you find the narrow gate and go through it, you are in for life. You can't treat Jesus like a door mat expecting Him to make your life better, that isn't His deal. Do you understand? You need to investigate whether you want to be Christian for His sake or your own sake.

The Way of the Cross

34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save their life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it.

Read this, let it sink in. What does it mean when you read it? Does it mean that getting better grades is what Jesus wants you to do?

The only reason I became a christian is because I liked the way Jesus lived and truly understood what he did for mankind.. I DID NOT DO IT FOR SELFISH NEEDS! I did expect to see changes in my life, attitude, etc. but nothing happened! Is that too much to expect from such a drastic change in your life?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The only reason I became a christian is because I liked the way Jesus lived and truly understood what he did for mankind.. I DID NOT DO IT FOR SELFISH NEEDS! I did expect to see changes in my life, attitude, etc. but nothing happened! Is that too much to expect from such a drastic change in your life?

God won't pull you out of your former life too quickly. It all takes time, and on God's schedule, not yours. You state that you chose to become a Christian, but it's God that does the choosing. God is arbitrary in who he calls and shows mercy to. 'Many are called but few are chosen'. Jesus said to his disciples: 'You have not chosen me, I have chosen you.' And, 'Not everyone that (calls me) 'Lord' is my disciple.' Don't misunderstand the verse that says, 'Whomsoever will....may come.' What this means is that those who God knows will immediately surrender their will to him can 'come' to (towards) him. And of those not everyone is finally 'chosen'. Lot's to think honestly about here.

 

[Asvin]

God won't pull you out of your former life too quickly. It all takes time, and on God's schedule, not yours. You state that you chose to become a Christian, but it's God that does the choosing. God is arbitrary in who he calls and shows mercy to. 'Many are called but few are chosen'. Jesus said to his disciples: 'You have not chosen me, I have chosen you.' And, 'Not everyone that (calls me) 'Lord' is my disciple.' Don't misunderstand the verse that says, 'Whomsoever will....may come.' What this means is that those who God knows will immediately surrender their will to him can 'come' to (towards) him. And of those not everyone is finally 'chosen'. Lot's to think honestly about here.

You basically agreed with me on my claim that god chooses certain people over others.. if he loves everyone unconditionally, i don't see why he wouldn't give everyone the equal opportunity to know and establish a relationship with him! The verse is talking about those false christians who claim to be one but live according to their own will and what not, but you gotta understand that I wasn't doing so when I was one!

If I created two things A and B, and B was being a jerk like satan, I would just annihilate B and let A be safe.. If I didn't, then that implies I have other sinister intentions.. not a quality to be associated with the christian god!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You basically agreed with me on my claim that god chooses certain people over others.. if he loves everyone unconditionally, i don't see why he wouldn't give everyone the equal opportunity to know and establish a relationship with him! The verse is talking about those false christians who claim to be one but live according to their own will and what not, but you gotta understand that I wasn't doing so when I was one!

If I created two things A and B, and B was being a jerk like satan, I would just annihilate B and let A be safe.. If I didn't, then that implies I have other sinister intentions.. not a quality to be associated with the christian god!

As others have observed you are placing conditions on God to do things your way, else he is not a good God. That dog won't hunt.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So how much do you love God?

Alot.

 

[bling]

You basically agreed with me on my claim that god chooses certain people over others.. if he loves everyone unconditionally, i don't see why he wouldn't give everyone the equal opportunity to know and establish a relationship with him! The verse is talking about those false christians who claim to be one but live according to their own will and what not, but you gotta understand that I wasn't doing so when I was one!

If I created two things A and B, and B was being a jerk like satan, I would just annihilate B and let A be safe.. If I didn't, then that implies I have other sinister intentions.. not a quality to be associated with the christian god!

It is unfortunate but Christianity is probably growing the fastest with the underground church in China (now thought to be 60 to 100 million). This is with most being killed just 50 years ago and was thought to be wiped out. Unfortunately Christianity grows best under persecution (this has been my observation).

 

[salida]

God talks to christians through the holy spirit. Natural man can't understand the things of God as they are foolishness to them. They are spiritually discerned. For example, before I was saved the bible was like chinese and I didn't like billy graham at all-I had a fallen nature. After asking Christ into my life-the way I looked at things changed from the inside out.

God isn't biased-he wishes all would come to repentence. Can u keep the 10 commandments all the time-100% of the time? Only Christ did. These commandments show us how its impossible to do keep them-its the school master and shows us how mankind has fallen short. This is why we are saved through grace. Good works is a byproduct of saving grace. Visit livingwaters.com and go to are u a good person?

Is a cop biased when someone breaks a traffic law? Thus, God isn't biased when one breaks an eternal spiritual law. The consequences must be paid.

 

[eyerobot]

If I had to guess, I would say that your feeling the frustration and pain, That comes from spiritual growth. I don't recall reading anywhere that growth was painless, But I always assumed it was. Wasn't it God who had to ask "Why do you kick against the pricks?" In other words, I am leading you in a certain direction, And your butting your head against the walls I created to guide you.

We see a wall, And we want to jump it, knock it down, Everything but go the way its leading. This is extremely frustrating, And we get very mad at God for putting this wall there.

Right now, You consider yourself to be outside of that guided path, But I have seen no evidence that you were not forgiven of your sins. The reason you have the inner turmoil, Is because your trying to think your way around that wall, You may have denied that the wall is there. But you still can't get through it. God is far from finished with you.

Is there a quick and easy way to learn what God wants to teach you in this situation? I don't know, It depends wether your as hard headed as I am. It took me years to learn, That I knew nothing to begin with. On the other hand, You may be at the breaking point, Where you finally stop attacking the wall, And are able to follow God's guidance without becoming angry.

One thing I know for sure, Is that God himself is dealing with your heart, Because the human mind isn't capable of humbling itself. So obviously there is some outside intervention going on, And it's on your behalf.

Have a nice long talk with God, Not a formal prayer, Just say what your thinking. Express to him what you feel, And you might just recognize some of your own faults. Maybe that's all he wants you to learn right now. After all, He doesn't want your mind, He wants your heart!

 

[drich0150]

So you know better than me what I did and behaved as a christian huh? People like you who claim that I created false gods honestly just make it harder for anyone to believe in god.. I do know how christianity is different from other religions in that christians have a personal relationship with their savior/creator.. I did all the things a christian should do! Pray, repent my sins everyday, preach, forgive others, etc. You are trying to accuse me of picking and choosing from Mathew and ignoring Luke.. even if I added Luke, HOW (Please explain to me this time.. I don't want to waste any more time) does that change what god promised? Is it an empty promise?

I have explained every time you have asked. GOD IS ONLY PROMISING A MEASURE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THOSE WHO ASK SEEK AND KNOCK FOR HIM. He has never promised to grant wishes.

Or is it reserved for certain people? It has to be one of the two, because I didn't get my prayers answered!

Because you were not praying you were making wishes.

Telling me that I was never a true convert, demanded too much from god, or created a false god, is just being ignorant!

Not if you are seeking the God of the bible. I have shown you where your idea of God and the bibles description of God are separate. So either you yield yourself to what the bible says or you keep wandering in the dark looking for your version of God.

Now can you answer the OP? Why does god change his ways of revelation?

He is God. The question should be why do you think He can only reveal Himself in only the way you want Him to.

 

[Asvin]

It is unfortunate but Christianity is probably growing the fastest with the underground church in China (now thought to be 60 to 100 million). This is with most being killed just 50 years ago and was thought to be wiped out. Unfortunately Christianity grows best under persecution (this has been my observation).

Thanks for stating your observation, but what does this have to do with my OP?

 

[Asvin]

To feel peace, you need to find the Straight path!!

And what is that?

 

[Asvin]

God talks to christians through the holy spirit. Natural man can't understand the things of God as they are foolishness to them. They are spiritually discerned. For example, before I was saved the bible was like chinese and I didn't like billy graham at all-I had a fallen nature. After asking Christ into my life-the way I looked at things changed from the inside out.

God isn't biased-he wishes all would come to repentence. Can u keep the 10 commandments all the time-100% of the time? Only Christ did. These commandments show us how its impossible to do keep them-its the school master and shows us how mankind has fallen short. This is why we are saved through grace. Good works is a byproduct of saving grace. Visit livingwaters.com and go to are u a good person?

Is a cop biased when someone breaks a traffic law? Thus, God isn't biased when one breaks an eternal spiritual law. The consequences must be paid.

You have a valid point.. but your analogy doesn't explain why god used significantly different methods to reveal himself to me and to lucifer, as stated in my OP... The bible states that god said that he never changes.. but he did.. he changed his way of revelation!

Back in 2008, I used to smoke a lot of weed.. I felt pretty bad about it most of the time, but never did anything to stop it.. then I got caught with some weed by my mom and she got mad at me.. I felt really bad about it and have never smoked anything since! Then I took steroids last year.. same thing happened! Then I became a Christian last december! It felt great for a week or so.. I actually was so caught up in the videos I was watching about christian testimonies, success stories, and about saints! Then came some days when I didn't do that.. however, I did read the bible, repented my sins daily, and prayed.. What I noticed was that the joy I got was from watching those videos.. It could have been about Gandhi or something good and totally non-christian, and I would've still been happy! I know this from other experiences that have made me happy!

How can I then know if it is the holy spirit or if it is just some emotions? The bible's descriptions of christians, who are saved, aren't that much different from non-christians! (Their actions and feelings I mean)

 

[oi_antz]

Hi Asvin, I'm a programmer so I tend to notice flaws in logic quite easily:

I DID NOT DO IT FOR SELFISH NEEDS!

This statement contradicts the following statement:

I did expect to see changes in my life, attitude, etc. but nothing happened! Is that too much to expect from such a drastic change in your life?

It's not too much to expect, but remember that you have to make the changes yourself. When the rich man came to Jesus and asked for eternal life, did Jesus say "don't worry about it, I'll do all the work for you"? No, He said "Give everything you own to the poor and you will have riches in heaven". That is the action that the rich man couldn't perform. Whatever Jesus expects of you is your own private matter, because sin is extremely personal, even our thoughts must be pure!

I think you could benefit from watching the following sermon, it identifies what is wrong with modern evangelism and it could help you understand why your salvation hasn't become real.

Hell's Best Kept Secret

After watching that, meditate and pray over this verse, because Jesus has made this promise and He is true to His word. If you want Jesus in your life you have to cut loose all sin, and obey Him.

“All who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them.

This is a wonderful promise. Let us know how you get along.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

so why doesn't god talk to us in the same way he did before?

Hi dude, glad to see you again. He does still talk to people today. My website is full of examples of God taking audiably to me (and to others). He has also done other stuff as well like heal the sick etc. It is a long read but if you want to know the truth, he is still knowable today. I would be honered if you would have a look, I would love you to experience the good things he has done for me. See Know God Personally These are all my experiences they are not second hand gosip.

 

[Hakan101]

You have a valid point.. but your analogy doesn't explain why god used significantly different methods to reveal himself to me and to lucifer, as stated in my OP... The bible states that god said that he never changes.. but he did.. he changed his way of revelation!

Back in 2008, I used to smoke a lot of weed.. I felt pretty bad about it most of the time, but never did anything to stop it.. then I got caught with some weed by my mom and she got mad at me.. I felt really bad about it and have never smoked anything since! Then I took steroids last year.. same thing happened! Then I became a Christian last december! It felt great for a week or so.. I actually was so caught up in the videos I was watching about christian testimonies, success stories, and about saints! Then came some days when I didn't do that.. however, I did read the bible, repented my sins daily, and prayed.. What I noticed was that the joy I got was from watching those videos.. It could have been about Gandhi or something good and totally non-christian, and I would've still been happy! I know this from other experiences that have made me happy!

How can I then know if it is the holy spirit or if it is just some emotions? The bible's descriptions of christians, who are saved, aren't that much different from non-christians! (Their actions and feelings I mean)

I think God being unchanging is referring to his character. Of course he doesn't do everything the exact same way, how bland would that be? He doesn't always reveal himself as a burning bush, but he always reveals himself in a way that you personally know is him. God's character never changes though.

The joy of the Lord is not just an emotion of happiness, this is something I have heard many times. It is a kind of strength that helps you persevere through crushing times, knowing that they will be overcome with God. This is what I would consider to be the definitive difference between other things that "make you happy." Because life's not always full of happiness, suffering is inevitably going to happen. But Jesus said that if we remain in him, his joy will be our joy, and our joy will be complete. I believe that was from John 15, it is a very interesting and explanatory chapter. I would recommend reading it.