Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[visionary]

Is Steve doing Shabbat or something? I am waiting for him, on my thread, that you avoided. It would have been a good place for those questions you want to ask.

?? who is steve? what thread?

We need to get the right view of the Law and Gospel in order to be "On Target" if we get too much of the law we can become Legalistic like the pharisees and at the same time Yeshua said I came not to abolish the law or prophets but fulfill them.

The law does have it's right place- personally I believe the law is God's Requirements ...if you are convicted of not matching up to his requirements, it is called sin... you violate God's Law- Therefore God had to send a Savior to save His people from their sin if they put their trust in the one Whom He sent which was spoke about through the Prophets of Old... thus we find our salvation from the penalty and the example of how to truly live this Godly lifestyle.

 

[Frogster]

?? who is steve? what thread?

We need to get the right view of the Law and Gospel in order to be "On Target" if we get too much of the law we can become Legalistic like the pharisees and at the same time Yeshua said I came not to abolish the law or prophets but fulfill them.

The law does have it's right place- personally I believe the law is God's Requirements ...if you are convicted of not matching up to his requirements, it is called sin... you violate God's Law- Therefore God had to send a Savior to save His people from their sin if they put their trust in the one Whom He sent which was spoke about through the Prophets of Old... thus we find our salvation from the penalty and the example of how to truly live this Godly lifestyle.

the visionary cybelizard (steve) thread.

 

[11822]

Amen! Well.. at least you are a likeable person, so I hold back from utterly attacking you. God bless sis, in the end, you love God.

Frogster, God teaches His ways through the scriptures and it teaches more than Grace. We have the message of grace already bro, no need to beat us over the head with it. We are talking about the whole will of God which includes faith, love and holiness, and God gave us commandments to help us understand and do. Faith is not the whole will of God. We must also consider love and holiness.

 

[Frogster]

Frogster, God teaches His ways through the scriptures and it teaches more than Grace. We have the message of grace already bro, no need to beat us over the head with it. We are talking about the whole will of God which includes faith, love and holiness, and God gave us commandments to help us understand and do. Faith is not the whole will of God. We must also consider love and holiness.

the just shall live by faith. They had the e law, and they were shut up in sin and law, read gal 3;22-23. the escape from prison was faith.

 

[visionary]

help me here my little brother. if no one was ever sanctified of justified by law, how are we holy by law?

God is Holy.. it is a holy lifestyle.. by we are only made holy by His grace..

 

[Frogster]

God is Holy.. it is a holy lifestyle.. by we are only made holy by His grace..

Grace is not law.
I have said we dont want to kill, but that is such an elemental truth in the argument as a whole. Do Christians rob banks? No, but either do some unsaved people, or students of other religious teachings. It is all about a new creation, one died for all, all died, 2 cor 5;14.

That is why paul wanted to know his resurrection power, phil 3, that was of the cross, the place of death to human effort, and a rule book.

 

[visionary]

Grace is not law.
I have said we dont want to kill, but that is such an elemental truth in the argument as a whole. Do Christians rob banks? No, but either do some unsaved people, or students of other religious teachings. It is all about a new creation, one died for all, all died, 2 cor 5;14.

That is why paul wanted to know his resurrection power, phil 3, that was of the cross, the place of death to human effort, and a rule book.

Of course, Grace is not a law... who would think that??

 

[Frogster]

Of course, Grace is not a law... who would think that??

u by way of countless pro law posts.

u might not say it, but u say it.

 

[11822]

the just shall live by faith. They had the e law, and they were shut up in sin and law, read gal 3;22-23. the escape from prison was faith.

Yes and God has called us to holiness not uncleanness.

1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: .
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1Th 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.


1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

 

[11822]

u by way of countless pro law posts.

u might not say it, but u say it.

Paul refers to the "law of faith" and if we are commanded to live by faith then indeed it is a law, we have laws of physics that Govern the universe, is the law of grace any different? And why argue over whether its law or not anyway? Unnecessary arguments are unprofitable unless division and argument is what we seek.

 

[visionary]

u by way of countless pro law posts.

u might not say it, but u say it.

Pro Law does not equate anti-grace... It is like the laws I lay down in my household for my children to follow.. and the grace I extend to them when they miss the mark.. I still lift up the standard while extending forgiveness for failures.

 

[Frogster]

Paul refers to the "law of faith" and if we are commanded to live by faith then indeed it is a law, we have laws of physics that Govern the universe, is the law of grace any different? And why argue over whether its law or not anyway? Unnecessary arguments are unprofitable unless division and argument is what we seek.

it means principal. u r arguing over law too.

 

[Frogster]

Pro Law does not equate anti-grace... It is like the laws I lay down in my household for my children to follow.. and the grace I extend to them when they miss the mark.. I still lift up the standard while extending forgiveness for failures.

with all due respect, are u on the same level spiritually as your kids, who need law?

read gal 4;3, children....

 

[visionary]

with all due respect, are u on the same level spiritually as your kids, who need law?

read gal 4;3, children....

They watch like a hawk to see that the law is applied equally and will be the first to point a finger at any flaws... They are more letter of the law types until they truly understand the benefits and the true intents of what the law is to really achieve... understanding is a spiritual experience.

 

[11822]

with all due respect, are u on the same level spiritually as your kids, who need law?

read gal 4;3, children....

Still stuck in Galatians. I would love to see you post something besides only faith. Doesn't Paul teach other things? All things are done in faith but Paul taught us the complete Will of God. Aren't you missing a couple things? Love and holiness? We obey love thy neighbor because Jesus commanded in His written word. Are we hoping in the law and not Christ by obeying love thy neighbor or the commandment to forgive? Obeying the law that the Apostles gave us is the law.

 

[Studious One]

Still stuck in Galatians. I would love to see you post something besides only faith. Doesn't Paul teach other things? All things are done in faith but Paul taught us the complete Will of God. Aren't you missing a couple things? Love and holiness? We obey love thy neighbor because Jesus commanded in His written word. Are we hoping in the law and not Christ by obeying love thy neighbor or the commandment to forgive? Obeying the law that the Apostles gave us is the law.

Still stuck in the Law? We would love to see you post something beside fornication and adultery. Doesn't Paul teach other things? Aren't you missing a lot of things? (we already know the answer to that, but figured we'd put forth the question anyway) We obey Love thy neighbor because we love Christ, not because of commandments. (which, by the way, are not for the Gentile Believers)

 

[11822]

Still stuck in the Law? We would love to see you post something beside fornication and adultery. Doesn't Paul teach other things? Aren't you missing a lot of things? (we already know the answer to that, but figured we'd put forth the question anyway) We obey Love thy neighbor because we love Christ, not because of commandments. (which, by the way, are not for the Gentile Believers)

I did post some scriptures on grace a few pages back. I totally believe in faith without the law. Who wouldn't? But Gods will is more than faith, its also about love and holiness. Its Gods will to abstain from fornication and adultery which is a commandment not a suggestion. This thread is about commandments right?


http://www.christianforums.com/t7563454-93/#post57651882

 

[dewba]

For sure

 

[sheina]

I did post some scriptures on grace a few pages back. I totally believe in faith without the law. Who wouldn't? But Gods will is more than faith, its also about love and holiness. Its Gods will to abstain from fornication and adultery which is a commandment not a suggestion. This thread is about commandments right?


http://www.christianforums.com/t7563454-93/#post57651882

The link just takes you to the top of this page. To answer your question...

NO...this thread is NOT about commandments....the title of this thread (and the 3 others which preceded it) is "Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 commandments? (4)" This question has been answered over and over again. You and many others agree that the Christisn should keep the 10 commandments and focus on "law pushing" on the ones who do not agree that Christians should keep the 10 commandments...and those who do not agree with the "law pushers" are condemned and judged for their belief that the Christian is under GRACE. We are labeled as "antinominianists" or just plain "lawless".

 

[Frogster]

They watch like a hawk to see that the law is applied equally and will be the first to point a finger at any flaws... They are more letter of the law types until they truly understand the benefits and the true intents of what the law is to really achieve... understanding is a spiritual experience.

sorry, i did not mean to phrase it like that, I just don't see the need for law, when people are saved. Again, sorry to harp on glalatians, but paul trusted the Spirit for them, he pointed to Him in 5, walk, be led, live, wait, in the same way the came to Christ, by faith and Spirit.