Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[Stryder06]

No! As a Christian it is a sin of the flesh and not a transgression of the because the law isn't applicable to the Christian per I Tim 1:9-10. The law doesn't apply or have jurisdiction over the Christian.

What does that even mean? So my flesh is sinning but my soul isn't? Is that what you're trying to say?

 

[11822]

Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.


What do you think of this? Does this scripture say that works of the flesh are actually idolatry? Or is it just covetousness that is idolatry? Its not clear.

 

[from scratch]

What does that even mean? So my flesh is sinning but my soul isn't? Is that what you're trying to say?

Please read Romans 7:-25 for an answer. I've already presented and discussed that in this thread.

 

[from scratch]

Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.


What do you think of this? Does this scripture say that works of the flesh are actually idolatry? Or is it just covetousness that is idolatry? Its not clear.

So who are you addressing? Are you demanding the flesh conform to the Spirit for one to be redeemed? That is foolishness according to Gal 3:1-3. If that isn't good enough I refer you to the same Romans 7:8-25 as my previous post.

 

[Frogster]

Yeah, and yet you still don't get it. Go fig...



Been here already. The laws surrounding sacrifices were nailed to the cross. Of course, from this translation, one could aptly argue that that which was nailed to the cross, was the legal demand, which was death for the transgressor.

Where does it say sacrifces in the verse?

What translation would u prefer?


HOW WERE THE SACRIFICES THE LEGAL DEMANDS THAT WERE AGAINST US?



English Standard Version (©2001)
by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.


New American Standard Bible (©1995)
having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.



Darby Bible Translation
having effaced the handwriting in ordinances which stood out against us, which was contrary to us, he has taken it also out of the way, having nailed it to the cross



Young's Literal Translation
having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross;

 

[Frogster]

Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.


What do you think of this? Does this scripture say that works of the flesh are actually idolatry? Or is it just covetousness that is idolatry? Its not clear.

My little bro, don't you yet understand what scratch is saying to you?

Please listen to us, so u can leave the elemental side of this argument, that you keep pointing to. God bless.

 

[11822]

So who are you addressing? Are you demanding the flesh conform to the Spirit for one to be redeemed? That is foolishness according to Gal 3:1-3. If that isn't good enough I refer you to the same Romans 7:8-25 as my previous post.

I never made that claim or demanded anything of the kind. Why does Paul teach law to Corinthians in 1 Co 10:5-14 but faith to Hebrews in Heb 3:7-19?

 

[11822]

My little bro, don't you yet understand what scratch is saying to you?

Please listen to us, so u can leave the elemental side of this argument, that you keep pointing to. God bless.

Yes i do, its pretty elementary.

 

[from scratch]

Here you go scratch i figured out the shortcut.


http://www.christianforums.com/t7563454-85/#post57646857

Well thanks. I don't know what you wish me to say or consider. Are you trying to say that Paul commanded the Corinthians to follow the law and told the Hebres to follow faith as something different? Or are you calling them the same thing?

I don't read a command in either. Does this mean that I say or imply one can sin? NO! Gal 5:13, 19-21.

 

[from scratch]

Things get complicated, but they're not unmanageable. And why do you keep trying to make it out like I said you can't make a living. You said the following: One must abstain from purssing a livelyhood to keep from sinning on the sabbath according to the meaning and concept.

Indeed I did. This is a long way from saying that I can't make a living period because of that fact. The day of prepreation does interfere with the normal flow of things and requires a half day to be prepared for the sabbath. This means a half day off from work in normal routine. It doesn't matter to me if you think so or not.

That aside, God honor's those who honor Him. The cattle on 1k hills is His and so are the hills. God takes care of us no matter what society we live in. Who can say no when God says yes? Who can say yes when God says no?

Indeed God honors them that honor Him. In my relationship with God I believe He (Holy Spirit) spoke to me and said that it isn't my covenant. You know my stand on covenant(s).

This is your twisted understanding of the sabbath. Not mine. The fact that our society is different then the one that Israel lived in is quite true. There are things that are essential to daily life. Those things keep going on during the sabbath. Jesus qualified what type of work was good to do on the sabbath. This is a non-argument. Remember that whole, rule behind a rule, under a rule, surrounded by a fence of rules with a rule moot going around it? Your post displays that point perfectly.

I have no idea why you think my idea of the sabbath is twisted other than I don't keep it as it isn't a requirement of, in and from the NC. I don't understand your insistance of obligation to a superceded law.

 

[11822]

Well thanks. I don't know what you wish me to say or consider. Are you trying to say that Paul commanded the Corinthians to follow the law and told the Hebres to follow faith as something different? Or are you calling them the same thing?

I don't read a command in either. Does this mean that I say or imply one can sin? NO! Gal 5:13, 19-21.

What is paul teaching if not Gods will? You mistakenly suggest that posting or learning instruction in obedience to Gods will according to the word is wrong. The instruction in Gods Will that's found in the NT is there for us to learn from. the whole bible in fact is good. We limit God when we limit His word. All you ever talk about is Grace and thats not the whole word of God. And if anyone else suggests any law besides the law of grace you scoff at them. Did Paul teach only Grace? nope

 

[from scratch]

Where does it say sacrifces in the verse?

What translation would u prefer?


HOW WERE THE SACRIFICES THE LEGAL DEMANDS THAT WERE AGAINST US?



English Standard Version (©2001)
by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.


New American Standard Bible (©1995)
having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.



Darby Bible Translation
having effaced the handwriting in ordinances which stood out against us, which was contrary to us, he has taken it also out of the way, having nailed it to the cross



Young's Literal Translation
having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross;

I think that's a great quesion. I would like to know as well. I've addressed that issue in the past with no response.

 

[sheina]

The Apostle Paul teaches the Gospel of GRACE, as do all the other Apostles.

 

[from scratch]

What is paul teaching if not Gods will? You mistakenly suggest that posting or learning instruction in obedience to Gods will according to the word is wrong. That instruction in Gods will is there for us to learn.

I think it is more like instruction in righteousness than a demand or command to folllow a set of rules. Please check the language structure and show by discussion that it is a commandment or a demand for performance.

 

[sheina]

I think it is more like instruction in righteousness than a demand or command to folllow a set of rules. Please check the language structure and show by discussion that it is a commandment or a demand for performance.

 

[11822]

I think it is more like instruction in righteousness than a demand or command to folllow a set of rules. Please check the language structure and show by discussion that it is a commandment or a demand for performance.

It seems demanded that we do learn the law of faith, love and Holiness and apply it with our heart. Why act as if the laws of love and holiness are bad? Paul teaches them multiple times the same as he does faith.

 

[from scratch]

A custom of Moses is not a law.. it is a tradition...

Circumcision isn't a custom of Moses. It is a requirement of God to participate in the commanded observance of Passover observed by the nation of Israel. circumcision has absolutely nothing to do with Moses per say.

 

[11822]

The apostles gave us instruction in faith, love and holiness. We shouldn't ignore one while promoting the other.

 

[from scratch]

Circumcision has never been about salvation. It is the sign of a covenant, like a marriage ring...

to an Isrealite no circumcision meant no God and no country.

 

[visionary]

I think it is more like instruction in righteousness than a demand or command to folllow a set of rules. Please check the language structure and show by discussion that it is a commandment or a demand for performance.

Yes it is the instructions in righteousness, and by love we can follow under the guidance of His Word and His Holy Spirit...