Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[Frogster]

Commandments expressed in ordinances. I don't see any ordinances in 1-10. Sorry. You keep highlighting the portions of scripture that only suit your doctrine.

And you shouldn't insult the Spirit by trying to pit Him against Christ, and them against the Father, as if each One has His own set of rules that clashes with the other.




Col 2:14 says the record of ordinances. Again, you're only using what you want.

showdown time, you have done this too many times bro.

Where did the LEGAL record come from that was against us?

What were we dead in?

13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

 

[sheina]

Okay, so answer me this.

If I, as a Christian, slip into a spell of adultery and start to cheat on my wife, does the 7th commandment apply to me?

God's Word says you are guilty of breaking ALL the commandments:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

In addition, it would be advisable to examine yourself:

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

A Christian who "slips into a spell of adultery" is definitely NOT "walking in the Spirit". So, is that Christian going to "worry about" breaking the 7th commandment or is he going to apply 1 John 1:9 and restore his fellowship with the Lord?

 

[Stryder06]

God's Word says you are guilty of breaking ALL the commandments:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

In addition, it would be advisable to examine yourself:

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

I totally agree.

A Christian who "slips into a spell of adultery" is definitely NOT "walking in the Spirit". So, is that Christian going to "worry about" breaking the 7th commandment or is he going to apply 1 John 1:9 and restore his fellowship with the Lord?

One second brother. Let's not be so quick to say who is and isn't walking in the Spirit based on their behavior. David was a man after God's own heart, and I don't think we need to air his dirty laundry.

Just because one sins, or even more so, just because one is caught up in sin, it doesn't mean they are no longer a child of God. Do you agree or disagree?

Someone can come to God and at that moment they are justified before the Lord. This however does not mean that every dirty habit they may have had will instantly be gone. The process of sanctification takes a long time.

So with that being said. If I cheat on my wife, and I carry on for sometime before repenting, between the time when I started the affair, and the time I repented of my sin, does the commandment apply to me?

 

[Stryder06]

showdown time, you have done this too many times bro.

Yeah, and yet you still don't get it. Go fig...

Where did the LEGAL record come from that was against us?

What were we dead in?

13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Been here already. The laws surrounding sacrifices were nailed to the cross. Of course, from this translation, one could aptly argue that that which was nailed to the cross, was the legal demand, which was death for the transgressor.

 

[sheina]

I totally agree.



One second brother. Let's not be so quick to say who is and isn't a christian based on their behavior. David was a man after God's own heart, and I don't think we need to air his dirty laundry.

Just because one sins, or even more so, just because one is caught up in sin, it doesn't mean they are no longer a child of God. Do you agree or disagree?

Someone can come to God and at that moment they are justified before the Lord. This however does not mean that every dirty habit they may have had will instantly be gone. The process of sanctification takes a long time.

So with that being said. If I cheat on my wife, and I carry on for sometime before repenting, between the time when I started the affair, and the time I repented of my sin, does the commandment apply to me?

First of all, I'm not a brother! Secondly, I'm not judging as to who is a Christian and who isn't. I said: "A Christian who "slips into a spell of adultery" is definitely NOT "walking in the Spirit". Restoring fellowship with the Lord doesn't mean lose of salvation. 1 John 1:9 applies to Christians....this is part of our daily Christian walk. The apostle John was writing to believers.

I repeat, ALL the law (not just the 7th commandment) applies to you.

 

[11822]

lol! Perfect reply! I thought that too. In fact, often those who accuse, have issues they project on others, using the law as their hideout. to toss stones out of.

Perfect reply to condemn someone with.

 

[Stryder06]

First of all, I'm not a brother! Secondly, I'm not judging as to who is a Christian and who isn't. I said: "A Christian who "slips into a spell of adultery" is definitely NOT "walking in the Spirit". Restoring fellowship with the Lord doesn't mean lose of salvation. 1 John 1:9 applies to Christians....this is part of our daily Christian walk. The apostle John was writing to believers.

I repeat, ALL the law (not just the 7th commandment) applies to you.

I apologize for the gender confusion my sister. I had someone else in mind when I replied. And I made an edit about your statement "walking in the Spirit." I was hoping you'd catch that first.

1 John says if we confess our sins He will forgive us and clean us. That doesn't answer the question though. If I'm having an affair does the 7th commandment apply to me as a Christian?

 

[11822]

Notice how Paul is teaching faith to the Hebrews but law to the Corinthians using the same example of the Israelites in the wilderness? Is Paul teaching Grace only? No, the Lord Jesus teaches law and faith and so does the apostles.


1 Corinthians 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted[/B], and were destroyed of serpents. 10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.



Hebrews 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. 10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. 11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) 12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; 15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. 16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. 17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

 

[11822]

Ive been accidentally accused of pointing fingers and being an adulterer to the Lord. Lets keep it real folks. Im not pointing fingers although they'ye pointing at me. Jesus said whoever Keeps my words will be saved. Are we now adulterers for obeying His words and those of His apostles?

 

[sheina]

I apologize for the gender confusion my sister. I had someone else in mind when I replied. And I made an edit about your statement "walking in the Spirit." I was hoping you'd catch that first.

Apology accepted. I guess you weren't fast enough on the edit. I noticed that you had edited after I had already posted. Nonetheless, a Christian who is walking in the Spirit will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. (Galatians 5:16). As far as David committing adultery with Bathsheba and people "airing his dirty laundry"...guess what, David's "dirty laundry" is "aired" in the Bible.

1 John says if we confess our sins He will forgive us and clean us. That doesn't answer the question though. If I'm having an affair does the 7th commandment apply to me as a Christian?

Why would a Christian be having an adulterous affair in the first place? There is definitely something wrong with that picture. Adultery can be a "one night stand", but an affair is an ongoing sin. Adultery (as is all sin) is a sin against God. Psalm 51 was David's "1 John 1:9"

Psalms 51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

Psalms 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

 

[Stryder06]

Ive been accidentally accused of pointing fingers and being an adulterer to the Lord. Lets keep it real folks. Im not pointing fingers although they'ye pointing at me. Jesus said whoever Keeps my words will be saved. Are we now adulterers for obeying His words and those of His apostles?

Don't worry about accusations of finger pointing. The fact is that if A disagrees with B they're both pointing the "you're wrong" finger at each other. Folk around here seem to forget that.

Don't let it bother you.

 

[11822]

Don't worry about accusations of finger pointing. The fact is that if A disagrees with B they're both pointing the "you're wrong" finger at each other. Folk around here seem to forget that.

Don't let it bother you.

Im not worried. I think forgetting little things like that is the way to go, things get heated and things get said, no big deal. I just didn't want things snowballing out of control.

 

[from scratch]

I'm not misconstruing anything. You said that you'd have trouble with pursuing a livelihood. That's what you said. I said that that isn't true. Everything you said above is simply you not wanting to be inconvenienced. And how can you say what is and isn't fair in regards to what that man does with his company?

Doing as you say will limit ones ability for employment. I didn't say or imply that I couldn't make a living by keeping the sabbath under the law. It is impossible for you to quote such. If one really goes by the law things get complicated in our world. God didn't design the law for our society in the 22 century. It was designed as a localized covenant. The Scripture states that the law was for a period of time - added till the seed should come. This implies that the law wasn't always in existance and that it had an expiration date Gal 3:19. LK 16:16 states that the law was until John. This clearly states the law expired.

Now lets talk about the intention of and obedience to the law. Are you compliant with only the provisions and requirements of Ex 20:8-11? No. I wish I knew how to make that flash to draw attention. You do business on account every sabbath. This requires the hiring of others to perform tasks within the confines of your gates. That is clearly willing and intentional sin. The leagal observance of the sabbath would mean that you can't use electricity, natural gas or water if that meter turns. It means that you can't generate electricy by any mechanical means. You can't operate any maechanical device that replaces what an animal would have done under the law. That means you would have to walk to a sabbath assembly. No using the heater or air conditioner. no electric lights or PA system. None of these things were a part of living in a tent at Sinai or even during the time of Christ physical sojoun on the planet.

Please explain. In Isa 56, the gentile who was joined to the Lord wasn't joined to Israel? So if they weren't joined to Israel, who were they joined to?

Tis is OC and has nothing to do with the NC. The OC is strictly for Israel and Israel alone. The NC is different and drastically different besides not being limited to Israel alone as Acts proves and to Peter''s utter astonishment and testimony.

 

[11822]

Now lets talk about the intention of and obedience to the law.

What did you think of the comparison between Hebrews 3 and 1Corinthians 10? Why did Paul teach law to Corinthians but grace to the Hebrews? Why did Paul use the same example of the Israelites in the wilderness to teach both law and faith?

 

[from scratch]

What did you think of the comparison between Hebrews 3 and 1Corinthians 10? Why did Paul teach law to Corinthians but grace to the Hebrews? Why did Paul use the same example of the Israelites in the wilderness to teach both law and faith?

I haven't seen it discussed in a post yet. Musta missed it with my in and out routine. Gotta a short cut to what you're talking about?

It is summer here and I simply must do things outside. Yesterday I spent more then half a day with someones pigmy goat and 3 uncollared dogs. The cute little rascal made it past my dogs only because I saw them chasing it. Talk about one scared pigmy goat. It was less than minutes from snack.

 

[from scratch]

whopsie

 

[from scratch]

Okay, so answer me this.

If I, as a Christian, slip into a spell of adultery and start to cheat on my wife, does the 7th commandment apply to me?

No! As a Christian it is a sin of the flesh and not a transgression of the law because the law isn't applicable to the Christian per I Tim 1:9-10. The law doesn't apply or have jurisdiction over the Christian.

 

[11822]

I haven't seen it discussed in a post yet. Musta missed it with my in and out routine. Gotta a short cut to what you're talking about?

Its found in post 848. Please tell me what you think.

I don't know how to post shortcuts.

 

[11822]

Here you go scratch i figured out the shortcut.


http://www.christianforums.com/t7563454-85/#post57646857

 

[Stryder06]

Doing as you say will limit ones ability for employment. I didn't say or imply that I couldn't make a living by keeping the sabbath under the law. It is impossible for you to quote such. If one really goes by the law things get complicated in our world. God didn't design the law for our society in the 22 century. It was designed as a localized covenant. The Scripture states that the law was for a period of time - added till the seed should come. This implies that the law wasn't always in existance and that it had an expiration date Gal 3:19. LK 16:16 states that the law was until John. This clearly states the law expired.

Things get complicated, but they're not unmanageable. And why do you keep trying to make it out like I said you can't make a living. You said the following:

One must abstain from purssing a livelyhood to keep from sinning on the sabbath according to the meaning and concept.

That aside, God honor's those who honor Him. The cattle on 1k hills is His and so are the hills. God takes care of us no matter what society we live in. Who can say no when God says yes? Who can say yes when God says no?

Now lets talk about the intention of and obedience to the law. Are you compliant with only the provisions and requirements of Ex 20:8-11? No. I wish I knew how to make that flash to draw attention. You do business on account every sabbath. This requires the hiring of others to perform tasks within the confines of your gates. That is clearly willing and intentional sin. The leagal observance of the sabbath would mean that you can't use electricity, natural gas or water if that meter turns. It means that you can't generate electricy by any mechanical means. You can't operate any maechanical device that replaces what an animal would have done under the law. That means you would have to walk to a sabbath assembly. No using the heater or air conditioner. no electric lights or PA system. None of these things were a part of living in a tent at Sinai or even during the time of Christ physical sojoun on the planet. Tis is OC and has nothing to do with the NC. The OC is strictly for Israel and Israel alone. The NC is different and drastically different besides not being limited to Israel alone as Acts proves and to Peter''s utter astonishment and testimony.

This is your twisted understanding of the sabbath. Not mine. The fact that our society is different then the one that Israel lived in is quite true. There are things that are essential to daily life. Those things keep going on during the sabbath. Jesus qualified what type of work was good to do on the sabbath. This is a non-argument. Remember that whole, rule behind a rule, under a rule, surrounded by a fence of rules with a rule moot going around it? Your post displays that point perfectly.