Noah's Ark (2)

[Insane_Duck]

Now, you're talking like a scientist.

Is that a YES or a NO?

The first was a sarcastic nod to the current debate going on... The second was a real response.

Please, please tell me you knew that.

 

[AV1611VET]

The first was a sarcastic nod to the current debate going on... The second was a real response.

Please, please tell me you knew that.

I don't know if you noticed this or not, but I was actually agreeing with you.

If the Flood came by natural means, as you said Orogeny is saying, and the earth is not hiding another Pacific Ocean somewhere, then where did the water go?

(I'm trying to help you out here.)

Maybe I should be asking Orogeny?

 

[Insane_Duck]

I don't know if you noticed this or not, but I was actually agreeing with you.

If the Flood came by natural means, as you said Orogeny is saying, and the earth is not hiding another Pacific Ocean somewhere, then where did the water go?

(I'm trying to help you out here.)

Maybe I should be asking Orogeny?

I acknowledged how I felt about the opposition to your comment with the first sentence. Then I stated what I thought. It seems obvious to me that I agree with your statement, however you posted this:

Now, you're talking like a scientist.

Is that a YES or a NO?

Which incited the comment, and no, I'm not a scientist.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Maybe I should be asking Orogeny?

Read the last couple pages, maybe you'll understand.

 

[Orogeny]

Regardless of what natural process he worked through, GOD did DOIT.

Ok.

I wouldn't be. Do you have any source on this enough water to cover the earth claim?

Not really. I guess we could dehydrate all of the hydrous minerals in the crust, free all the ground water, melt the ice sheets, and make the pre-flood ocean super shallow. We could also raise the overall temperature of the water, making it expand by something like 0.2%. Even so, I'd probably be left with a pretty serious deficit. I guess I could say that the average elevation was higher (post-flood isostatic subsidence?) and the maximum elevation was lower (Everest has been growing pretty rapidly since then, about 6cm/yr), but I'm not sure that would help my case much.

As you can see, I'm reaching the point where I can no longer even feign logic. Being a (honest) flooder is hard.

Why? If we find it impossible what is the point? Or if we find it possible? There is still no speaking to whether it did happen.

Well...

One hundred? You said they repopulated, and they must have spread far and fast in order for us to see as little interruption as we do. It seriously only survived in the oral tradition of one small (not particularly literate I understand) tribe? I don't see this as viable at all.

God only preserved one tribe, so there was only one tribe to tell about it?

 

[Orogeny]

I could address your other arguments, but I'd be getting way, way too far from logic, honesty, and simple reality to even make it fun.

It's interesting that I managed to get a lot farther ad libbing than most die-hard flooders get with all their 'study', and I didn't even have to denounce evolution or an old earth to do it. That's... kinda embarrassing for them.

Thanks for humoring me, though. Good talk!

 

[Inan3]

I don't know if you noticed this or not, but I was actually agreeing with you.

If the Flood came by natural means, as you said Orogeny is saying, and the earth is not hiding another Pacific Ocean somewhere, then where did the water go?

(I'm trying to help you out here.)

Maybe I should be asking Orogeny?

Tas Walker's Biblical Geology - Where did all the water go?

 

[Insane_Duck]

God only preserved one tribe, so there was only one tribe to tell about it?

But that tribe spread out all across Asia, in a span so fast, we never noticed it in any of those civilization's records, nor by any other indicator.

Although I agree, I'm getting tired of this as well. I think I'm going to go back and give an answer to the OP...

 

[Insane_Duck]

Ok I really just want to hear everyone's opinions on the flood. I believe in the Word so I am considered a creationist, but the ark get's a lot of controversy between creationists and evolutionists.

Anyways, Noah's Ark people: Did it happen? Yes or No

(I think I may have done this already)

There is no evidence to suggest that it ever did happen. If God had used enough God power, he could theoretically do anything, therefore throwing practicality out the window.

So no, I believe that it's a debunked old folk tale. If you want to take the only sane, yet Christian approach, you may believe that it was an allegory, and adapted from a local flood story. (the region of Ur)

 

[AV1611VET]

Tas Walker's Biblical Geology - Where did all the water go?

Thank you, sis, but I can't accept any natural explanations as to the Flood -- I just can't.

In my opinion, the entire scenario has God's fingerprints all over it, and He orchestrated it from start to finish, including the aftermath.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Tas Walker's Biblical Geology - Where did all the water go?

God changed the depth of the oceans? That change doesn't happen natural over 3,000 years, so God must have done it with divine power. This really doesn't advance anything at all.

It's still (to borrow a term) GODDIDIT.

 

[Jazer]

where did the water go?

Perhaps it went back to the fountains of deep and the windows of heaven. If the dove brought back a olive leaf where did that come from? Just what was destroyed by the flood if it was not the olive trees.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Perhaps it went back to the fountains of deep and the windows of heaven. If the dove brought back a olive leaf where did that come from? Just what was destroyed by the flood if it was not the olive trees.

Wait! Wait! Wait! I know!

It is a made-up, irrelevant story!

Edited to fix grammar

 

[Jazer]

Wait! Wait! Wait! I know!

It is a made-up, irrelevant story!

Anything that has survived for 3500 years is far from irrelevant.

 

[Orogeny]

Anything that has survived for 3500 years is far from irrelevant.

I've a rock on my porch that is 270 million years old. It's pretty irrelevant, bro.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Anything that has survived for 3500 years is far from irrelevant.

You do know the Hindu sacred texts (The Vedas) are much older than the bible, right?

Edit: Although both of these writtings tell us about the culture at the time, so I guess I wouldn't call them irrelevant. So:

Wait! Wait! Wait! I know!

It's a made-up, and untrue story!

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps it went back to the fountains of deep and the windows of heaven. If the dove brought back a olive leaf where did that come from? Just what was destroyed by the flood if it was not the olive trees.

I believe that God took the waters back off the earth, like He did in Genesis 1 when He formed the water canopy -- or possibly a giant ice cube in space, whatever shape it was.

Anyway, I believe that God took the waters back off the earth, including most of the waters from 'the fountains of the deep', along with some debris, and placed them elsewhere in our solar system, to serve as a "reminder" to other angels of what happened the year of the Flood.

Paul says that we entertain angels unaware, and that tells me that angels walk this earth incognito; and I would venture to say they have a cosmic reminder of what happened, just in case any of them get any ideas.

The dove bringing back the olive leaf, tells me that God "hypergrew" the earth again, just as He did in Genesis 1 -- and that the earth was green once more.

Again, this is pure speculation on my part.

 

[Insane_Duck]

I believe that God took the waters back off the earth, like He did in Genesis 1 to form the water canopy -- or possible giant ice cube in space, whatever shape it was.

Anyway, I believe that God took the waters back off the earth, including most of the waters from 'the fountains of the deep', along with some debris, and placed them elsewhere in our solar system, to serve as a "reminder" to other angels of what happened the year of the Flood.

Paul says that we entertain angels unaware, and that tells me that angels walk this earth incognito; and I would venture to say they have a cosmic reminder of what happened, just in case any of them get any ideas.

The dove that bringing back the olive leaf, tells me that God "hypergrew" the earth again, just as He did in Genesis 1 -- and that the earth was green once more.

Again, this is pure speculation on my part.

Wait? Why does it matter. The christian god (if he exists) is infinite, so why does it matter how he did it? Are we talking about the methods Jesus (allegedly) used to multiply the bread and fishe?

 

[AV1611VET]

You do know the Hindu sacred texts (The Vedas) are much older than the bible, right?

Um ... no.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wait? Why does it matter.

Why does what matter?

(Please slow down ... you posted this before I even had a chance to completely edit my post.)

The christian god (if he exists) is infinite, so why does it matter how he did it?

It doesn't matter -- I believe He completely orchestrated the Flood from the beginning to beyond the aftermath.

Are we talking about the methods Jesus (allegedly) used to multiply the bread and fishe?

What?