Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[visionary]

oh come on, then why did Paul go to jerusalem and hear about Moses?

Give me something to prove Paul was fighting talmud?

Were they all bound under talmud here in gal 3:22-23?


Did Christ redeem from the talmud, was talmud the issue?



3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—

Peter's vision was about a traditional thinking of that time among the Jews.. and the only place you are going to find that "law" is in the Talmud... God has never been exclusive.. and God gave Peter the vision to understand he was not to see any gentile man as unclean...

The idea that it wasn't allowed to grab a bite to eat from the fields as you walk through was from the Talmud traditional [Pharisee burden] that Yeshua fought.

 

[11822]

Isn't it said that Paul promotes circumcision of the heart - Rom 2:29 as a requirement of salvation and stone cold proof that we're spiritual Israel?

I was talking about circumcision according to OC tradition. Whats circumcision of the heart have to do with my comment? Arguing about Spiritual Israel or about the difference in circumcision does not edify the 10C debate IMO

 

[Frogster]

go rad 1 cor 10, eat it all..

Actually, that is a teaching of demons

4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Does food matter? SSSStop GOING BY PERTANENT VERSES, RELATIVE TO A STRESSFUL TRANSITIONAL TIME, OF JEW AND GENTILE INTERACTION, AND STUDY THE ISSUE ALREADY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP POSTING THE SAME THING TO YOU.



You took romans 14 out of context. Did Paul tolerate demon teaching? He was talking about those who obeyed abstaining from meat offered to idols. Paul commands gentiles to abstain from meat offered to idols himself. Paul rebuked only those that didn't have faith in the lord and were teaching circumcision, your definition of romans 14 is way out of context. Paul didn't teach abstaining from food, but he did command abstinence from meat offered to idols and gave 2 reason why. One for the weaker brothers conscience and the other so we don't provoke Gods jealousy. Any food is pure to eat like Paul said but even He commands against food offered to Idols. Is Paul teaching according to the demons?

no my child, again ,there were divisions in the pertananet chapter, in the house churches, with jew and gentile divisions.

Who was it addressed to, weak, or mature?

YOU ARE A GOOD DUDE, BUT YOU ARE APPROACHING THE TOPIC FROM AN ELEMENTAL weak (sorry, said with respect) VIEWPOINT.

14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.

Repetition is to be noted my son. There were no chapter divisions in the greek, try to read it as a whole, and get the context and situation down, then post.

15:1 We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

 

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no my child, again ,there were divisions in the pertananet chapter, in the house churches, with jew and gentile divisions.

Who was it addressed to, weak, or mature?

YOU ARE A GOOD DUDE, BUT YOU ARE APPROACHING THE TOPIC FROM AN ELEMENTAL weak (sorry, said with respect) VIEWPOINT.

14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.

Repetition is to be noted my son. There were no chapter divisions in the greek, try to read it as a whole, and get the context and situation down, then post.

15:1 We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

Then its your duty to bear with me. The strong serve the weak my brother.

 

[sheina]

Isn't it said that Paul promotes circumcision of the heart - Rom 2:29 as a requirement of salvation and stone cold proof that we're spiritual Israel?

Way of Life Encyclopedia
CIRCUMCISION

The Jewish custom of cutting away the foreskin of male children. God commanded Abraham to practice circumcision as a sign of His covenant (Genesis 17:9-14). Physical circumcision is not required of Christians (1 Corinthians 7:18-19; Galatians 5:1-12; 6:15), but it is used in the New Testament as a symbol of the new birth (Colossians 2:10-14).

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This isn't proof that we are spiritual Israel...but it describes who a true Jew is...a Jew who truly believes in God. This would also apply to Gentiles when they trust Christ...circumcision of the heart is a symbol of the new birth:

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

 

[Frogster]

Peter's vision was about a traditional thinking of that time among the Jews.. and the only place you are going to find that "law" is in the Talmud... God has never been exclusive.. and God gave Peter the vision to understand he was not to see any gentile man as unclean...

The idea that it wasn't allowed to grab a bite to eat from the fields as you walk through was from the Talmud traditional [Pharisee burden] that Yeshua fought.

If peter's vision in 10, was talmud, why did he recall it at a mosaic meeting?

7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith

Go back in time kipison friend..


34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,

 

[11822]

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

 

[visionary]

If peter's vision in 10, was talmud, why did he recall it at a mosaic meeting?

7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith

Go back in time kipison friend..


34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,

Where did you find that it was a mosaic meeting?? sorry but I missed that.. I thought it was an apostolic meeting

 

[11822]

Mt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak

 

[Frogster]

Then its your duty to bear with me. The strong serve the weak my brother.

it aint easy, but i will try.

 

[Frogster]

Where did you find that it was a mosaic meeting?? sorry but I missed that.. I thought it was an apostolic meeting

Twas recorded here..

Gal 2:1 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up because of a revelation and set before them (though privately before those who seemed influential) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure I was not running or had not run in vain. 3 But even Titus, who was with me, was not forced to be circumcised, though he was a Greek. 4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— 5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for

And here...all cause the judaizers came to antioch, to subjugate.


The Jerusalem Council
15:1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question. 3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers. [1] 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them. 5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

 

[visionary]

Twas recorded here..

Gal 2:1 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up because of a revelation and set before them (though privately before those who seemed influential) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure I was not running or had not run in vain. 3 But even Titus, who was with me, was not forced to be circumcised, though he was a Greek. 4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— 5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for

And here...all cause the judaizers came to antioch, to subjugate.


The Jerusalem Council
15:1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question. 3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers. [1] 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them. 5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

A custom of Moses is not a law.. it is a tradition...

 

[11822]

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous

Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus

 

[Frogster]

A custom of Moses is not a law.. it is a tradition...

I don't know why it says custom, but the law was a custom, and that is why Paul went there, and it was not custom, as per galatians, and here is what they were greeted with, no custom.


Acts 15:5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

 

[visionary]

I don't know why it says custom, but the law was a custom, and that is why Paul went there, and it was not custom, as per galatians, and here is what they were greeted with, no custom.


Acts 15:5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

The Pharisees called a lot of things the law of Moses, but you will not find this written in the laws coming from Mount Sinai.

 

[Frogster]

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous

Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus

there u go again, taking an indicative, out of a chapter centering on who to marry, trying to uphold Moses.

Dude. my little brother, again, we don't want to murder, or steal, now lets try to elevate the debate!

 

[Frogster]

The Pharisees called a lot of things the law of Moses, but you will not find this written in the laws coming from Mount Sinai.

u northners don't listen, read it, it was about moses. Does it say timmy, or sally? No, it says moses, were there 2 moses'?

 

[visionary]

u northners don't listen, read it, it was about moses. Does it say timmy, or sally? No, it says moses, were there 2 moses'?

Sooooo... and Pharisees don't have an agenda?? They are good at clouding to promote their way... probably a good reason that Yeshua called them vipers, being evil... I believe they are very capable of lying... What better "authority" than tagging the name of Moses to what they say... doesn't make it so... that is why I asked... Can you find it recorded in those things that came down from Mount Sinai...?? Can you?

 

[Frogster]

Sooooo... and Pharisees don't have an agenda?? They are good at clouding to promote their way... probably a good reason that Yeshua called them vipers, being evil... I believe they are very capable of lying... What better "authority" than tagging the name of Moses to what they say... doesn't make it so... that is why I asked... Can you find it recorded in those things that came down from Mount Sinai...??

I don't quite getcha? r u saying circumcison, did not mean conversion, and following the whole law?


Sure the pharisses added, i agree, but the context of gal 2, and acts 15, was conversion, and full Mosaic law complience.

 

[11822]

there u go again, taking an indicative, out of a chapter centering on who to marry, trying to uphold Moses.

Dude. my little brother, again, we don't want to murder, or steal, now lets try to elevate the debate!

I know because people who do those things dont enter through the straight and narrow and they end up hearing Jesus say depart me from worker of iniquity, i never knew you. Gods commandments are Gods commandments. They don't belong to moses or any other man.