Pre-Adamite Doctrine, History and Teaching

[granpa]

thats from:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080207163811.htm

Scientific racism in the United States was graphically promoted in a mid-19th-century book by Josiah C. Nott and George Robins Gliddon titled Types of Mankind, which used misleading illustrations to suggest that "Negroes" ranked between "Greeks" and chimpanzees

as you can see from these skulls, human beings havent had protruding jaws since erectus:

A Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
B Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
C Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
D Homo habilis, KNM-ER 1813, 1.9 My
E Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
F Homo ergaster (H. erectus), KNM-ER 3733, 1.75 My

G Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man," 300-125ky
H Homo neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70ky
I Homo neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Sts, 60ky
J Homo neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45ky
K Homo sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30ky
L Homo sapiens, modern​

the evolution of a non-protruding jaw is probably also a result of the neoteny that I mentioned earlier.

 

[Research3]

- Different types of prognathism.

All races have cases of maxillary prognathism, however mandibular (lower jaw - the feature of apes) is only present in Negroids and other non-Caucasoid races. Every physical anthropologist knows this.

Mandibular prognathism is an apish/hominid feature.

 

[granpa]

research, I am finding it hard to take you seriously.
these theories went out with the horse and buggy.
my guess is that you are just posting strawman arguments to stir up discussion.

 

[Research3]

research, I am finding it hard to take you seriously.
these theories went out with the horse and buggy.
my guess is that you are just posting strawman arguments to stir up discussion.

erm....perhaps take a course in physical anthropology one day. What is your agenda to deny sub-saharan africans have prognathic skulls?

This is an athropological fact proven by basic observation.

''Mongoloid types show slight prognathy of the entire face, whereas negroid and australoid types are markedly prognathic''
- Concise encyclopedia biology, by Thomas Scott, 1996 p. 461

An American Journal of Physical Anthropology on prognathism in negroes -
Nasal shape, prognathism and adaptation in man - Glanville - 2005 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library

Also -
Vioarsdóttir US, O'Higgins P, Stringer C (2002). "A geometric morphometric study of regional differences in the ontogeny of the modern human facial skeleton". J. Anat. 201 (3): 211–29. doi:10.1046/j.1469-7580.2002.00092.x. PMID 12363273

- Different races have different skulls. Ask any physical anthropologist.

You are ignorant of science.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Adding a bit of humor to an over-dramatic thread.

The Christian Identity Movement claim Jesus was white. Theologian James Hal Cone claims Jesus was black. Modern historians claim Jesus was a Semite. With a bit of arm-twisting you can turn him into any race:

Goodness Gracious Me​

YouTube - ‪GGM5.avi‬‏

 

[Research3]

Physical anthropology basics (Caucasoid skull = orthognathic, while Negroid prognathic).

Morphologically, race differences are most pronounced and observable in the skull, with the facial skeleton being the most diagnostic portion.

 

[Research3]

The Christian Identity Movement claim Jesus was white.

Actually scholars do, in light of the ancient physical art we have.

Roman Mosaic of Galileans -

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Research3: You didn't like my video? It's irrefutable proof Jesus was actually Indian.

 

[Research3]

More Galileans -

Perhaps Christian Identity proponents invented a time machine and put these there though?

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Research3: Obviously not, as the Chinese had invented it first. Behold, irrefutable proof that Jesus was Chinese -

This thread has now officially decended into silliness ...

 

[granpa]

I havnt read this book but I found this part with google and it seems interesting

http://erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap6.html

BTW, I do not believe that homo erectus was black

 

[Research3]

This thread has now officially decended into silliness ...

The photos i presented are early 1st century AD mosaics of Galilees population, of which Jesus resembled.

Instead you linked to a parody video (which isn't even funny) and some modern art depictions of Jesus from Japan.

You have basically owned yourself.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Granpa: Had a quick look on that link http://erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap6.html
It's recieved a few negative (1 star) reviews on a few book sites. One of the few 5 star reviews it got was actually from the author himself. One of the first results on Google links to a white supremacist forum.

Seems like a dubious source.

Instead you linked to a parody video (which isn't even funny) and some modern art depictions of Jesus from Japan.

You have basically owned yourself.

What?! You ignored what was obviously a historical account on the race of Jesus! Clearly you are a troll, why I oughta put you on my ignore list!!1!
And if you thought I was genuinely trying to prove Jesus was Indian / Chinese, as well as having no sense of irony you have no sense of humour either.

 

[granpa]

Since I allowed myself to get drawn into this discussion i guess i should make it clear what i believe.

around the time habilus became erectus, man became neotenic. He developed white skin and a non-protruding jaw. This may be around the time that man first domesticated himself. This is when adam lived. They may indeed have been commanded not to interbreed with earlier species.

Later erectus evolved black skin in certain parts of the world.

all modern people are descended from adam and there is no prohibition against interbreeding. We are all adamites. We are all domesticated. No race is more primitive than any other.

I havent read this book but this one chapter seems good:
http://erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap6.html

actually, i believe that there have been lots of adams just like there have been a lot of czars and khans. it seems to be a general term for a very early patriarch.

 

[theWaris1]

Research3: You didn't like my video? It's irrefutable proof Jesus was actually Indian.

I got a chuckle out of it but Israelites were White.

Peter identified them in 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the choice sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Galatia came from the word for Gauls.

They were called Gauls and Celts after they left Assyria.



The Lost tribes had moved all around the Black Sea and into Thracia, Greece, Albania.
Paul said the Corinthians foreFathers were with Mose.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

Lam 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire



On some old maps of Israel you can find the Name Gaulanitis which is where Golan and Golan heights came from today. Yeshua worked many miracles in Gaulan.

Intis is Greek for "Belonging to" Gaul came from Gaulan


Galilee in Hebrew was Galiylah and pronounced GAULeelah
Gaul was spoken in old Hebrew often.
GilGal is pronounced GilGaul
A son of a Hebrew was named Igal & pronounced Yigawl
who were the Gauls? White folk
Galal = 2 Isrealites and pronounced Gawlawl

Called Celts by Greeks.
Called Gyumri by Assyrians
Gyumri is a city named after Israelites in old Armenia
And a people of Wales



Christian Identity is way off..
British Israelism is closer to the truth... www.cai.org


www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU9BVSfNS5I
.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

They were called Gauls and Celts after they left Assyria.

Went through this with Research3 already. The peoples of Britain are ancient, predating Mesopotamia or any of the cultures of the Middle East.

 

[theWaris1]

Since I allowed myself to get drawn into this discussion i guess i should make it clear what i believe.

around the time habilus became erectus, man became neotenic. He developed white skin and a non-protruding jaw. This may be around the time that man first domesticated himself. This is when adam lived. They may indeed have been commanded not to interbreed with earlier species.

Later erectus evolved black skin in certain parts of the world.

all modern people are descended from adam and there is no prohibition against interbreeding. We are all adamites. We are all domesticated. No race is more primitive than any other.

I havent read this book but this one chapter seems good:
http://erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap6.html

the OT was strongly opposed to interbreeding but the NT says nothing about it. Does that make it okay?
I don't think so.

I know the world says that all came from Adam but I don't think that fits us all. Adam means "one that blushes in the face."

Paul went ministering to many places but why not to east Asia or India or Africa?

God sent Jonah to clean house in Assyria. Why not send a prophet to Asia, India or Africa? Why not the Egyptians? Suppose they were all living right?

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

the OT was strongly opposed to interbreeding but the NT says nothing about it. Does that make it okay?
I don't think so.

As theFijian pointed out the OT argued against marrying outside the tribe due to their belief in false gods, rather than race. Here is an interesting description of the seperation (and union) of the Gentiles [non-jews] and Israel:

Ephesians 2:11-13, 20: Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (that done in the body by the hands of men)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.
...
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household.

(NIV)​

I know the world says that all came from Adam but I don't think that fits us all. Adam means "one that blushes in the face."

Using the same pathetic excuse Research3 uses? Yeesh ...

Paul went ministering to many places but why not to east Asia or India or Africa?

Possibly because it would have been very difficult to travel such large distances before the invention of cars.

 

[theWaris1]

Went through this with Research3 already. The peoples of Britain are ancient, predating Mesopotamia or any of the cultures of the Middle East.

No not all.

Have you seen the Scottish declaration of independence mention of being Scythes and the4 exact time they came to Scotland or Alba being 1200 year since Mose crossed the Red Sea? Why mention Moses?


I am related to Irish Bards and can show you a ebook from my Bardic relative that gives the timeline of Irish landing and going back to the flood.

The sons of Milesius were Eremon, Er and Eber.
Eber and Er were both names of sons of Judah.
The word Hebrew came form Eber, an earlier Eber. The Eber and Er of Ireland existed before Moses and the scriptures were written.

Phoenician was close to Hebrew and Aramaic.
Irish Gaelic was almosty identify to early Phoenician




PHOENICIAN OF PLAUTUS:

Byth lym mo thym nociothii nel ech an ti daisc machon

Ys i do iebrim thyfe lyth chy lya chon temlyph ula.


EARLY IRISH-CELTIC:

Beth liom' mo thime nociaithe, niel ach an ti dairie mae coinne

Is i de leabhraim tafach leith, chi lis con teampluibh ulla.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

I am related to Irish Bards and can show you a ebook from my Bardic relative that gives the timeline of Irish landing and going back to the flood.

Forgive me for being blunt but I'm nor really inclined to take your word for it - or the word of your relative.

The sons of Milesius were Eremon, Er and Eber.
Eber and Er were both names of sons of Judah.
The word Hebrew came form Eber, an earlier Eber. The Eber and Er of Ireland existed before Moses and the scriptures were written.

Link please. BTW have you heard of 'Tea Tephi'?