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mzungu

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There is no such thing as a nonsensical question, because there is always an answer. The merits of any question depends on the level of erudition. For example; If I were to ask a person in the 16th century "If you travel at the speed of light, will time slow down"? The answer you will get will probably be something like this "What thou asketh me doest of the lunar afflicted minde cometh in and manifestees eetself in the guise of reedicule"!;)
 
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There is no such thing as a nonsensical question, because there is always an answer. The merits of any question depends on the level of erudition. For example; If I were to ask a person in the 16th century "If you travel at the speed of light, will time slow down"? The answer you will get will probably be something like this "What thou asketh me doest of the lunar afflicted minde cometh in and manifestees eetself in the guise of reedicule"!;)
I didn't realise 16th century English folk spoke with a South African accent :p
 
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I didn't realise 16th century English folk spoke with a South African accent :p
come to think of it; American, Australian, and many colonies have retained the original 16th century English accent. Contemporary English accent has little resemblance to the 16th century English accent! :p^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^
 
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come to think of it; American, Australian, and many colonies have retained the original 16th century English accent. Contemporary English accent has little resemblance to the 16th century English accent! :p^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^
How could they have retained the original accent, if even in America there are widely different accents, let alone compared to Australia?

I also thought the American accent was derived from Irish - my partner has a thick Irish accent and it sounds quite like a generic American one.
 
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Hi
What are your thoughts on May 21.
Do you think it is the end?
Have a good one today
I've gone over Camping's calculations, and he makes very judicious use of the numbers. Many people have predicted the date of the Rapture using the Bible, and they all get different dates - dates which just so happen to occur shortly after they've made the prediction. The odds are not in Camping's favour.

Besides, even if the Rapture does occur, he believes that the unsaved (such as myself) will be annihilated - no fire and brimstone for me :p

Welcome to CF :wave:
 
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How could they have retained the original accent, if even in America there are widely different accents, let alone compared to Australia?

I also thought the American accent was derived from Irish - my partner has a thick Irish accent and it sounds quite like a generic American one.
I think this link to a forum has some very interesting information: When did American accent become different from British?? | Antimoon Forum

Also Greek spoken in Cyprus is closer in accent to the ancient Greek than the Greek spoken in Greece today.

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Well all philosophy boils down to physics, so I suppose this falls under my jurisdiction :p

I used to be of the belief that omniscience precluded genuine free will, but I've since changed my mind. Though I don't believe any omniscience exists, and I'm on the fence about free will, I don't see the two as mutually exclusive.

Omniscience means that your decisions are known. But they're still just that: your decisions. What you freely choose may be known by God (or whatever entity is omniscient), but he isn't forcing you to choose the decision you will make, the choice is still yours. If we have some 'soul' or 'spirit' that solves the problem of how we can be truly creative or spontaneous in our decision making*, that still wouldn't necessarily preclude an omniscient being from foreknowing what it is we will freely decide. The 'free' part means its our decision, not that it's unknowable.

That's my take, at least :)

*From a scientific point of view, a highly complex quantum mechanical interaction in the brain's synapses may result in a very sophisticated sorting algorithm, much like the sophisticated computer programmes that arise ultimately from rather basic logic gates, could give rise to a 'genuine free will' algorithm. Maybe, in contrast to epiphenomenalism, that's the reason why the concious mind evolved - to act as a decision making tool of such sophistication that conciousness was the inevitable outcome of such a collation of sensory data. Maybe :p


I understand what you've said here completely. But I disagree, somewhat. If, from your perspective, you make a decision aren't you actually just under the false impression that you've made a free-willed choice? Since you aren't omniscient (total and complete knowledge), you won't know the outcome beforehand, obviously. BUT, god does. Again, since you can never make a decision contrary to the known outcome, isn't fee will just an "illusion" that you have only because you don't know the outcome? But being that someone somewhere (god) DOES know, is it still really free will?

Sorry if I'm being difficult, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this. It make my head hurt, honestly.

 
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I understand what you've said here completely. But I disagree, somewhat. If, from your perspective, you make a decision aren't you actually just under the false impression that you've made a free-willed choice? Since you aren't omniscient (total and complete knowledge), you won't know the outcome beforehand, obviously. BUT, god does.
Sure, faux free will is a possibility. But so is true free will, I believe.

Again, since you can never make a decision contrary to the known outcome, isn't fee will just an "illusion" that you have only because you don't know the outcome? But being that someone somewhere (god) DOES know, is it still really free will?
I'd say it is, yes - you are free to make a decision contrary to the known outcome. You won't, but you're free to. It's like I can predict in all confidence that you won't kill yourself right now. You're free to, and my prediction, however confident, doesn't detract from that freedom. And if being 99% sure doesn't change that, why does being 100% sure? It's still your choice, you're the one who decides what happens, so it's your choice. And in that, it's free.

Sorry if I'm being difficult, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this. It make my head hurt, honestly.
I've had a few rows about it myself over at EC - till I mulled it over myself and changed my mind. You can be sure I never told my opponents that though :p
 
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I've had a few rows about it myself over at EC - till I mulled it over myself and changed my mind. You can be sure I never told my opponents that though :p

Any opponent worthy of being an opponent would think highly of you for having told them of a well-considered change of mind (even on the mean streets of the internet). :)
 
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I think you're right to some point but not all decisions in life are so simple. For example, science can't tell you what will happen. It can only make predictions which will be inconclusive in most cases. Also science can't weigh pros and cons against each other, that's where it comes down to your subjective analysis of the situation.

It can tell you what will most likely happen and what you should do depending on your goals and the evidence. If you ask "Should I drink acid?" If you desire to avoid harm, you SHOULD NOT drink acid. If you don't care about the consequences of drinking acid, then your question is moot.
 
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No, it is not the scientific conclusion. If WE WANT to reduce poverty scientific knowledge can help us, science cannot tell us what WE WANT to do however.

No one said that science would tell us what we want. However, science can give us a course of action based on goals and evidence. All morals serve a goal, spoken or not.
 
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No one said that science would tell us what we want. However, science can give us a course of action based on goals and evidence. All morals serve a goal, spoken or not.

I'd be more inclined to think that morals are goals and therefore cannot serve them. Moral principle is based on what you want not how you can get it.
 
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