Locusts Swarming

[lilmissmontana]

You watched the same program I watched and based this thread on.

I referred to him as "the speaker" in the OP. In trying to be "more subtle than the serpent" I hesitate to mention his name. It always causes hissing. Poison being spit all over the place.



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well, I hear you there, for sure ... cool teaching that day, wouldn'tcha say ...

 

[Zadok7000]

They are flesh men.

Sleep on, sweet Charlotte...

 

[Zadok7000]

BTW, I know exactly what "program" you girls are talking about. Stay in the WORD.

 

[Zadok7000]

crwons
Strongs dictionary ... 4735

from an appar primary, steph ... to twine or wreathe; a chaplet, as a badge of royalty a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor gen ... but more conspicuous and eleaborate than the simple fillet (1238) lit or fig ...

some would say those crowns are turbons ...

Any who do say that are 100% wrong. The same "stephanos" is used in Rev. 4:4 and 4:10. I don't think the 24 Elders are wearing Turbans...

 

[lilmissmontana]

Any who do say that are 100% wrong. The same "stephanos" is used in Rev. 4:4 and 4:10. I don't think the 24 Elders are wearing Turbans...

not sure what you mean about that apart

cool ... I'll check it out ... I'm always open to know more, either way ...

would you say Rev 4:4 and 4:10 the word is used literally or figuratively ... just saw this and haven't looked yet ... I look forward to checking it out, but on a mission today to complete a list of things I need to get done ...

 

[Zadok7000]

Where is that written?

Where is WHAT written? That the Elect are sealed before the 5th trumpet sounds? That they are sealed before any of the 4 Winds are released?

Your quote is about the fallen angels and they come "right before the Day of the Lord" in the last five months. They are not the locusts.

"My quote" meaning the entire 2nd chapter of Joel? Becuse there is only ONE subject for the chapter. You can't magically insert another one because you feel like it. Ok, look. You said Joel 2:2-20 refers to the fallen angels, not the locusts as Rev. 9 describes...

Joel 2:4: The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Rev. 9:7: And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle

Joel 2:5: Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble
Rev. 9:9: the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

Joel 2:10: The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining
Rev. 9:2: and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

I'm waiting for you to understand the fifth trumpet and who arrives. Do you? .

LOL. Do you know I once believed as you did? Unfortunately, it doesn't hold up to intra-Biblical scrutiny. Don't be "told" what it says, study to show yourself approved.

 

[Zadok7000]

not sure what you mean about that apart

Didn't think I was being ambigious...
Whoever says the crowns the locust army wears are really turbans are wrong.

 

[Zadok7000]

would you say Rev 4:4 and 4:10 the word is used literally or figuratively ...

Does it matter? It's the same word used for the "crown of thorns", "crown of rejoicing", "crown of righteousness", "crown of glory" and "crown of life". Heck, it's used in Rev. 3:11 about "your crown" to the Chruch of Philadelphia. It's pretty insulting to say it means turban, actually...

 

[1whirlwind]

Any who do say that are 100% wrong. The same "stephanos" is used in Rev. 4:4 and 4:10. I don't think the 24 Elders are wearing Turbans...

Stephanos...wasn't he just kicked off of American Idol? (inside joke to Idol watchers)



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[lilmissmontana]

Does it matter? It's the same word used for the "crown of thorns", "crown of rejoicing", "crown of righteousness", "crown of glory" and "crown of life". Heck, it's used in Rev. 3:11 about "your crown" to the Chruch of Philadelphia. It's pretty insulting to say it means turban, actually...

okay, well ... I guess I should have took time out and looked at your verses ...

I did not say they were turbons ... I said some would say ... I felt it was a valid point for discussion ... I'm sorry you're insulted ... I'll reserve my apology, if it's warranted, until I've had time to come more prepared ...
your post is noted ...

and maybe it does matter ...

 

[lilmissmontana]

Didn't think I was being ambigious...
Whoever says the crowns the locust army wears are really turbans are wrong.

don't insult my intelligence ... if I'm not sure, I'm not going to comment ... your hostility is duly noted ...

 

[Zadok7000]

don't insult my intelligence ... if I'm not sure, I'm not going to comment ... your hostility is duly noted ...

Huh? You're the one that said "not sure what you mean about that part"...seemed like you were asking for clarification...

 

[lilmissmontana]

Huh? You're the one that said "not sure what you mean about that part"...seemed like you were asking for clarification...

If I misread you, I apologize ... it seemed to me like you were insinuating you made it clear enough I should understand ... I've been spoken down to a huge amount in my life and I'm a bit edgy there ... working on it

yes, I was asking for clarification ...

I could have reacted because of reading the turbon post first ... my experience in this forum is an attack comes with a series of posts ... I'll also work on that ...

peace ... I'm just trying to get my sea legs here ... it's been a rocky road with a lot of rocks in the path ... I'm working to shed that skin and wear the new skin since the path became a freer walk ...

 

[Zadok7000]

If I misread you, I apologize ... it seemed to me like you were insinuating you made it clear enough I should understand ... I've been spoken down to a huge amount in my life and I'm a bit edgy there ... working on it

yes, I was asking for clarification ...

I could have reacted because of reading the turbon post first ... my experience in this forum is an attack comes with a series of posts ... I'll also work on that ...

peace ... I'm just trying to get my sea legs here ... it's been a rocky road with a lot of rocks in the path ... I'm working to shed that skin and wear the new skin since the path became a freer walk ...

No worries sis. Internet forums take a thick skin (which took me a while to build up), no doubt. I do have a "way" about me, that is for sure. But I feel confident that is the way our Father made me and wants me.

For example, I am fond of saying to pre-tribbers that I would bet my salvation that they are wrong (haven't had any takers yet). I feel just as strongly about the topic of this thread. If you want more details, PM me, but suffice to say that no man's word can be trusted when it comes to the Bible.

 

[1whirlwind]

Where is WHAT written? That the Elect are sealed before the 5th trumpet sounds? That they are sealed before any of the 4 Winds are released?



"My quote" meaning the entire 2nd chapter of Joel? Becuse there is only ONE subject for the chapter. You can't magically insert another one because you feel like it. Ok, look. You said Joel 2:2-20 refers to the fallen angels, not the locusts as Rev. 9 describes...

Joel 2:4: The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Rev. 9:7: And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle

Joel 2:5: Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble
Rev. 9:9: the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

Joel 2:10: The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining
Rev. 9:2: and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.




LOL. Do you know I once believed as you did? Unfortunately, it doesn't hold up to intra-Biblical scrutiny. Don't be "told" what it says, study to show yourself approved.

I try to.


Zadok, the locusts were released at the fifth trump (in one of their stages). They are the horses, the army. Who rides those horses? Those released at the sixth trump.


Revelation 9:1-3 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

At the fifth trump the locusts were unleased upon the earth. They are the locust army, the "horses," and they are many! That is the first woe. Then.....
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9:13-17 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

The fallen angels are the "horsemen" that use the locust army. They are the second woe.



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[Zadok7000]

I just showed you the locusts are described the same way as in Joel and you are not even addressing that?

 

[1whirlwind]

I just showed you the locusts are described the same way as in Joel and you are not even addressing that?

Okay, okay, okay (in my Joe Pesci voice)....I was trying to avoid the minute details by pointing out the horses vs horsemen verses.

By the way...I accidentally clicked on your name instead of the post and...what beautiful children you have. I must say too, you're much more attractive than your avatar.

From your previous post:

Joel 2:4: The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Rev. 9:7: And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle

The locusts are "like unto horses," for they are the army. The fallen angels appear as they do but they are the "horsemen." Horses (locust army) - Horsemen (fallen angels, their leaders).

Joel 2:5: Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble
Rev. 9:9: the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

The noise of the chariots are heard at the sixth trump as "the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand." This is the arrival of the fallen angels.

The sound of the chariots are "many horses running" and they are the locusts...previously released.

Joel 2:10: The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining
Rev. 9:2: and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

The release of the locusts, as described in your quote in Revelation coordinates with....

Ezekiel 32:7-9 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD. I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known.

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That sounds very much like what has happened since the Islamic nations have been given power. They are the locusts released at the fifth trump.

In Joel it concerns the sixth trump, the beginning of the great tribulation with the arrival of the fallen angels as written in....

Acts 2:19-21 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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It shall happen again, at the seventh trump....

Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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The event also happened in....

Revelation 8:11-13 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!


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[Zadok7000]

By the way...I accidentally clicked on your name instead of the post and...what beautiful children you have. I must say too, you're much more attractive than your avatar.

That reminds me, that pic is about a year old and I should update it. Done, thanks!

PS
Buttering me up will get you everywhere.

The locusts are "like unto horses," for they are the army. The fallen angels appear as they do

Exactly. Don't add more that isn't there. God is telling you these things for a reason.

The noise of the chariots/The sound of the chariots

Real locusts make noise when they fly. These dudes are real loud (literal or metaphoric, doesn't matter) - that is the point. Not only is their volume repeated twice for emphasis, but even the word "chariot". Again, God is doing this for our benefit.

The release of the locusts, as described in your quote in Revelation coordinates with....

Ezekiel 32:7-9 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD. I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known.

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Agreed.

That sounds very much like what has happened since the Islamic nations have been given power.

No it really doesn't. Ever hear of the Ottoman Empire? There was a real genuine caliphate until about 100 years ago. You are going outside the Bible for no reason at all. It answers itself.

In Joel it concerns the sixth trump, the beginning of the great tribulation with the arrival of the fallen angels as written in...

Joel concerns all the trumpets actually. Your claim about the 6th trump is not backed up by the text of the 6th trump. I know where you are getting that idea from and I can only encourage you to "unlearn what you have learned".

 

[1whirlwind]

That reminds me, that pic is about a year old and I should update it. Done, thanks!

PS
Buttering me up will get you everywhere.

The only picture I would show of me is one taken a long time ago. Back in the "good ol' days." Just wait...you'll get there too.

WW - The locusts are "like unto horses," for they are the army. The fallen angels appear as they do.
Zadok - Exactly. Don't add more that isn't there. God is telling you these things for a reason.

I'm not adding. The locusts are the horses, the army. The fallen angels appear to look like them but they are the horsemen, the leaders.

Real locusts make noise when they fly. These dudes are real loud (literal or metaphoric, doesn't matter) - that is the point. Not only is their volume repeated twice for emphasis, but even the word "chariot". Again, God is doing this for our benefit.

Then should you not understand what He is telling?

Yes, real locusts make a noise when they fly. When does the noise take place? Is it at the fifth trump when they are released? Or is it when they swarm? When do they swarm?

The chariots are heard during the five months when the locust army is accompanied by the horsemen, fallen angels, which arrive at the sixth trump.

Agreed.



No it really doesn't. Ever hear of the Ottoman Empire? There was a real genuine caliphate until about 100 years ago. You are going outside the Bible for no reason at all. It answers itself.

The Ezekiel passage can't apply to the Muslim hordes in history. Rather it is happening now:

Ezekiel 32:7-9 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD. I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known.

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What countries wouldn't be known? Great Britain, America? Islam won't conquer us but it will bring destruction, it already has!

Joel concerns all the trumpets actually. Your claim about the 6th trump is not backed up by the text of the 6th trump. I know where you are getting that idea from and I can only encourage you to "unlearn what you have learned".

The more I delve into this...the more clearly I see. It is written Zadok. Fifth trump...locust upon the earth. Sixth trump....the horsemen leading the locust army.


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[Zadok7000]

I'm not adding. The locusts are the horses, the army. The fallen angels appear to look like them but they are the horsemen, the leaders.

"appear to look like them"? Cmon, it's not that complicated whirlwind...
They are described similarly because they ARE THE SAME.

Yes, real locusts make a noise when they fly. When does the noise take place? Is it at the fifth trump when they are released? Or is it when they swarm? When do they swarm?

So you admit that the locust army in Rev. 9 is being described in Joel 2:5?

The chariots are heard during the five months when the locust army is accompanied by the horsemen, fallen angels, which arrive at the sixth trump.

You keep saying that, and yet you present no evidence in the 6th trumpet scriptures. There is no evidence. I know it's painful to admit, but true.

The Ezekiel passage can't apply to the Muslim hordes in history. Rather it is happening now:

It doesn't apply to Muslims, period. YOU are assigning that meaning to it.

The more I delve into this...the more clearly I see. It is written Zadok. Fifth trump...locust upon the earth. Sixth trump....the horsemen leading the locust army.

How many fallen angels come with satan?