Here you are with your diversionary tactics again. We were talking about baptism.We are talking about mark 16 9-20 are we not?
Show me where water is mentioned in those passage to denote the immersion as being about water please.
Here you are with your diversionary tactics again. We were talking about baptism.
Oz
So it's a matter of interpretation. Do you believe it means water baptism in the name of the Lord or do you believe it means being placed into the body of Christ?
Two different sides of the fence.
The immersion described by Jesus in Mark would be Spiritual unless there was context to denote it being of water, we don't just assume it means water. That's the dangers of using a transliterated word in bibles, instead of actually translating the word.1Co 12:13 For in one Spirit were we all immersed into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Are you aware that Jesus Christ is not a translated, but a transliterated word? Will you stop using Jesus Christ?You are aware that the word "baptism" is not a translated word, aren't you? It means immersion, cleansing, dipping in the greek.
Are you aware that Jesus Christ is not a translated, but a transliterated word? Will you stop using Jesus Christ?
Oz
Must you speak in tongues to be saved?
What popular pastor say that you must speak in Tongues to be saved? Is it Benny Hinn? Is it Hagee?Must you speak in tongues to be saved?
What popular pastor say that you must speak in Tongues to be saved? Is it Benny Hinn? Is it Hagee?
Who?
A small Pentecostal denomination, Revival Centres International, of which there is one in my region, has this among its beliefs: .. we are baptised into the Body of Christ (the Church) through the Holy Spirit, with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is linked to salvation for this denomination that is not in the Pentecostal mainstream.I don't know who started off that teaching, but I know who didn't say it: Paul the apostle, Peter, John, Jude. None of the early church 2nd generation fathers when tongues was still existed in the church. The early Pentecostals never taught it, and they were the pioneers who set the standards.
No. This product of a demonic lying spirit was coined around the 1980s. The doctrine that tongues is essential to salvation is a demonic doctrine to derail good believers from their faith in Christ.
I had a three-hour debate with a pastor of a church that believed in it, and he was so obsessed with the doctrine that I became convinced that he was demonized with a seducing lying spirit that had firmly embedded itself in his mind, and that he would need deliverance to root it out of him so he could start believing the truth once more. This is a real tragedy because he was the pastor of a Pentecostal church! What about all the unfortunate members of his congregation that he was imparting that demonic spirit to every time he preached to them? Very, very sad...
Oscarr,
A small Pentecostal denomination, Revival Centres International, of which there is one in my region, has this among its beliefs: .. we are baptised into the Body of Christ (the Church) through the Holy Spirit, with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is linked to salvation for this denomination that is not in the Pentecostal mainstream.
In Christ, Oz
No, I didn't speak in tongues until 4 months ago, but I've been saved for many years.
This is one of those questions where I suspect the answer is not necessarily if the approach right or wrong, but by what degree we open our mouth and speak in tongues for the first time.
Unless we first open our mouths and allow our tongues to 'do something' then I find it hard to believe that the Spirit of God would force our mouths open and have us speaking in tongues.
For all of us I'm sure that we seek to allow the Spirit of God to pray through us in faith and unless we exhibit some outward faith indicator by first opening our mouth and allowing our faculties to begin praising God, then the only option is to sit still until the Spirit physically forces us.
Do we open our mouths and utter a half, one, two or three sylables before we have the confidence to allow the Spirit to pray though us? There are probably many of us who can easily believe what the Word tells us regarding the ability of the Spirit to pray through us and that we can all do it, but I'm sure our Western intellect may quickly get in the way where we shall I say try and help the Spirit.
Undoubtedly there will be many who are so conscious of the presence of the Spirit of God that their very first syllable will be totally under the control of the Spirit.
As its been over 38 years I cannot really remember my exact words but certainly with what occurred I knew within the first dozen or so syllables that it was God's Spirit speaking through me.
I agree with what you have said. It's like babies - we don't force their mouths to open when they start talking and when they first start talking; it sounds like gibberish but as they continue then the pronunciation of those words become clearer.