Locusts Swarming

[1whirlwind]

I watched a very interesting program a few days ago. In it, the speaker…as many of us today, was sounding the trumpet. Some of the information he brought forward bears repeating. One thing he mentioned several times was the year [1969] being a marker. That date was one I too have seen in that light. He didn’t elaborate so I don’t know why he was adamant about it except to say that forty years, [1969 to 2009], is a Biblical generation and numerically signifies probation, as in forty years in the wilderness. The other two generations given are 70 years and 120 years.


My understanding is after the forty years of probation, [1969-2009], there are 3 ½ years until the end of days but…that time has been shortened, said twice for emphasis!

Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.
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I believe Scripture tells us [Rev.9:5, 9:10] it was shortened to the last five months of this age which shall be the great tribulation of Satan. If 1969 was indeed correct then we are very close to the beginning of those last few months! Interestingly, 2009 also marks 70 years from WW11 which began in 1939. So, did 2009 consecutively end the seventy years of tribulation [Jeremiah 29:10] and the forty years of probation He tells us of? Both 70 and 40 being Biblical generations.

As I said, I don’t know why the speaker was shown something very significant in 1969 but…in googling (is that a word? ) the date I saw several events that displayed a “change.” And, speaking of “change” connected to the year 2009….Barack Hussein Obama was inaugurated and the “worst financial crisis of the United States and global capitalism since the Great Depression” happened. The tribulation of the last days began…leading to the great tribulation?


The premise the speaker put forth is that the fifth trump sounded…in 1969, beginning the forty years of probation…..releasing the locusts. Some of the events associated with “the locusts” swarming in 1969 are excerpts taken from…..

The Riddle of Islam: American Images and Interpretations, 1945-1969

www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Digital-Library/.../Detail/?ots591...lng... - Cached


- February 3, 1969: Yasser Arafat, in the afterglow of the Time Magazine cover story on his violent and victorious defeat at the village of Al-Karameh, and flush with OPEC funding and jihadist recruits, was appointed Director of the Palestinian Liberation Organizationin their meeting in Cairo, Egypt. The ugly face of Islamic terror had a new "Commander-in-Chief of the Palestinian Revolutionary Forces." The "Chairman of the PLO's Political Department" was now Yasser Arafat.

The promoted Islamic terrorist commenced committing a never-ending crusade of terrorist assaults against Americans and Jews. But what is not well known about his promotion was that Arafat was in part selected for this role by the Soviet KGB because they were certain they could control him. Yasser Arafat, it turns out, was a homosexual, something that wouldn't play well if it were revealed in the Muslim world. The mysterious disease he ultimately died of was AIDS.

- July 18, 1969: In London, England, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorists fire-bombed a department store owned by Jewish citizens of the U.K.. The PFLP claimed responsibility for the bombing and warned that there would be more bomb attacks on Jewish-owned establishments in London and in the United States.

PFLP leader George Habbash said, "We shall expand our operations everywhere, in all parts of the world. The enemy camp includes not only Israel but also the Zionist movement, world imperialism led by the United States." As a Muslim Marxist, Habbash had to please his Islamic and Communist financiers. Terrorism is, after all, expensive.

- July 19, 1969: Islamic jihadists associated with the Sudan government firebombed a United States Information Services library in Khartoum. The fundamentalist Islamic regime in control of the Sudan would soon unleash the most deadly genocide in modern history, killing 2.7 million African Animists and Christians.

- October 21, 1969:Marxist Muslim Muhammad Siad Barre assumed dictatorial power in a military coup d'etat following the assassination of Somalia's second President, Abdi Rashid Ali Shermarke. Barre nationalized the economy with the help of Soviet advisers and Cuban troops. His Supreme Ruling Council formulated political and legal institutions based on the Qur'an, Marx, Mao, Lenin, and Mussolini. Siad Barre explained: "The official ideology consists of three elements: my own conception of community, a form of socialism based on Marxist principles, and Islam." This coup caused anarchy and widespread starvation.

And so it began. The locusts were released:

Four Different Stages of Locusts:

Palmerworm ~ The pupa stage. The Hebrew definition is = the gnawer.

Locusts ~ The imago state. Hebrew = the swarmer

Cankerworm ~ Hebrew = the devourer

Caterpillar ~ The larva stage. Hebrew = the consumer

These four words show the completeness of the destroying agencies. The Hebrew reads…Gnawers remnant, Swarmer eats; Swarmer’s remnant, Devourer eats; Devourers remnant, Consumer eats. ~ E.W. Bullinger

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Revelation 9:1-4 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

So, we see they aren’t literal bugs. These locusts don’t consume what a real locust would. They can only harm the unsealed…those without truth or…the love of the truth. How do they harm? Through terrorism certainly but also…through economic terrorism. Those that are sealed know when the end nears, know to prepare and put aside what may be needed during their time of rampage.
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9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

There our Father gives us the identity of their king who guided his subjects to take down the two towers on 9/11….in verse 9:11. The prince of this world is the king of the locusts.

Joel also prophesied of the locusts:
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Joel 1:3-4 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation. That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.

1:6,15 For a nation is come up upon My land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion. (15) Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2:23-26 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for He hath given you the former rain moderately, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first [month]. And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil. And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, My great army which I sent among you. And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and My people shall never be ashamed.

"The years that the locust hath eaten." How hath they eaten?

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[Zadok7000]

Locusts = fallen angels cast out with Satan in Rev. 12:9. They are not here yet.

 

[1whirlwind]

Locusts = fallen angels cast out with Satan in Rev. 12:9. They are not here yet.

The locust swarm at the fifth trumpet.
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Revelation 9:1-3 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power,

What trumpet heralds Satan and his fallen angels?
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Revelation 9:13-17 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

13:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.


The locust army I see as the army of the horsemen/fallen angels...the "two hundred thousand thousand."


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[Zadok7000]

Dont give confusion any place. The 5th trumpet cannot occur until the locust army and their king (Satan and his angles) are here for all to see.

 

[1whirlwind]

Dont give confusion any place. The 5th trumpet cannot occur until the locust army and their king (Satan and his angles) are here for all to see.

Zadok, did you not read the quotes? At the fifth trumpet the "locusts are upon the earth."

What happens at the sixth trumpet?




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[Zadok7000]

Zadok, did you not read the quotes? At the fifth trumpet the "locusts are upon the earth."

Yes I have read the quotes whirlwind...hundreds of times.
I am very familiar with your line of reasoning. Unfortunately, it is fallacious. Think about it: one trumpet cannot herald a future trumpet, it's totally illogical. IE What heralds the 1st trumpet? What does the 7th herald?

 

[1whirlwind]

Yes I have read the quotes whirlwind...hundreds of times.
I am very familiar with your line of reasoning. Unfortunately, it is fallacious. Think about it: one trumpet cannot herald a future trumpet, it's totally illogical. IE What heralds the 1st trumpet? What does the 7th herald?

The fifth doesn't herald the sixth. The fifth tells us "locust are upon the earth." The sixth tells us something else. The locusts aren't fallen angels for they come with Satan at the sixth trumpet.


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[Zadok7000]

The fifth doesn't herald the sixth. The fifth tells us "locust are upon the earth." The sixth tells us something else. The locusts aren't fallen angels for they come with Satan at the sixth trumpet.

A. You acknowledge that Satan is the angel of the bottomless pit who releases the locusts...right???
B. He is the Locust King. IE one of them. IE they are the same as him. IE angels.
C. What about the description in Rev. 9 or Joel 2 makes you believe they are NOT fallen angels? a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it

 

[Zadok7000]

The fifth doesn't herald the sixth. The fifth tells us "locust are upon the earth." The sixth tells us something else. The locusts aren't fallen angels for they come with Satan at the sixth trumpet.


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There is nothing about Satan arriving in the 6th trumpet. Nothing. And unless there are only 4 fallen angels, it doesnt mention their arrival either...

 

[1whirlwind]

A. You acknowledge that Satan is the angel of the bottomless pit who releases the locusts...right???
B. He is the Locust King. IE one of them. IE they are the same as him. IE angels.
C. What about the description in Rev. 9 or Joel 2 makes you believe they are NOT fallen angels? a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it

A. Yes, I believe he is the angel of the bottomless pit.


B1. Yes, I believe he is the king over them but....do they know he is their king?

Proverbs 30:27 The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands;

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


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B2. No, because he leads them doesn't mean he is one of them. He may come back as the Mahdi but he isn't human...they are.

C. It is my understanding that Christ arrives with the seventh trumpet...Satan arrives with the sixth.



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[Zadok7000]

A. Yes, I believe he is the angel of the bottomless pit.

Then....he must be on earth during the 5th trumpet for the locusts to be on earth. Simple. Bottomless pit is "in the earth" and that is what the 2nd beast/False Prophet rises from, remember? The imagery is consistent. And think about the 5 month time mentioned here. Why mention it if it hasn't yet begun?? And will not begin for 40+ years?? Ludicrous. The Elect are already sealed, for goodness sakes...

B1. Yes, I believe he is the king over them but....do they know he is their king?

Proverbs 30:27 The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands;

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


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B2. No, because he leads them doesn't mean he is one of them. He may come back as the Mahdi but he isn't human...they are.

Prov 30, Rev 9 and Joel 2 make it clear they are neither actual locusts nor flesh men. You are engaging in mental gymnastics to make it fit into your ideas. Let the Word reveal itself.

C. It is my understanding that Christ arrives with the seventh trumpet...Satan arrives with the sixth.

The seventh trumpet clearly describes Christ's return. But why would that be your understanding of the 6th trumpet? Show me one SENTENCE that describes satan's or his angels arrival in the 6th. You can't because it's nowhere to be found. You want to say it's the 5th trumpet? Fine. Far more likely to be the 3rd, however.

 

[1whirlwind]

Then....he must be on earth during the 5th trumpet for the locusts to be on earth. Simple. Bottomless pit is "in the earth" and that is what the 2nd beast/False Prophet rises from, remember? The imagery is consistent. And think about the 5 month time mentioned here. Why mention it if it hasn't yet begun?? And will not begin for 40+ years?? Ludicrous. The Elect are already sealed, for goodness sakes...

The five months hasn't begun Zadok. It brings the last days, it doesn't begin the forty years. The locust are released at the fifth trumpet, beginning the forty years. They are released in one of their (4) stages, the swarmers...never more evident than on today's news. They are in their last stage during the (5) months. The devourer.

Prov 30, Rev 9 and Joel 2 make it clear they are neither actual locusts nor flesh men. You are engaging in mental gymnastics to make it fit into your ideas. Let the Word reveal itself.

Zadok....these appear as men to me.

Proverbs 30:27 The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands;

Joel 2:23-26 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for He hath given you the former rain moderately, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first [month]. And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil. And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, My great army which I sent among you. And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and My people shall never be ashamed.


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The seventh trumpet clearly describes Christ's return. But why would that be your understanding of the 6th trumpet? Show me one SENTENCE that describes satan's or his angels arrival in the 6th. You can't because it's nowhere to be found. You want to say it's the 5th trumpet? Fine. Far more likely to be the 3rd, however.

We agree that Christ arrives at the 7th trumpet. Below we are shown that His coming destroys not only the "working of Satan," which has gone on forever but the one who comes after the working. I see that "one" as Satan with his arrival complete with power, signs and lying wonders....after the working but before Christ arrives.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.



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[Zadok7000]

The five months hasn't begun Zadok. It brings the last days, it doesn't begin the forty years. The locust are released at the fifth trumpet, beginning the forty years. They are released in one of their (4) stages, the swarmers...never more evident than on today's news. They are in their last stage during the (5) months. The devourer.

I know the 5 months haven't begun, that's why I'm telling you the 5th trumpet cannot have sounded. That time frame is given EXPLICITLY in the text, whereas 40 years is nowhere to be found. Understand?
I also know there are 4 stages, there are also 4 trumpets that describe satan and his angels actions before Christ returns.
BTW, you never addressed the other fact that the Elect are already sealed when the locusts are released (9:4)...

Zadok....these appear as men to me.

Then frankly, you are seeing what you want to see.
there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it...The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining

We agree that Christ arrives at the 7th trumpet. Below we are shown that His coming destroys not only the "working of Satan," which has gone on forever but the one who comes after the working. I see that "one" as Satan with his arrival complete with power, signs and lying wonders....after the working but before Christ arrives.

What makes you think I disagree with Satan's arrival with power signs and lying wonders before Christ returns???

 

[1whirlwind]

I know the 5 months haven't begun, that's why I'm telling you the 5th trumpet cannot have sounded. That time frame is given EXPLICITLY in the text, whereas 40 years is nowhere to be found. Understand?
I also know there are 4 stages, there are also 4 trumpets that describe satan and his angels actions before Christ returns.
BTW, you never addressed the other fact that the Elect are already sealed when the locusts are released (9:4)...

The fifth trump sounded, releasing the locusts (not fallen angels)...as written. They were released in one of their stages. Now (40 years later) they are in another stage...swarming (look at the news). Soon, when the last five months begin they are in their last stage...devourers.

Revelation 9:1-3 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

There is the division, the "rightly dividing the word." The locusts are released 1-3 and then 4-6 they begin their last phase. We are sealed when that begins.
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Revelation 9:4-6 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
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Then frankly, you are seeing what you want to see.
there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it...The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining

I agree Zadok. Those verses are about the fallen angels. I was referring to the verses I quoted in [Joel 2:22-26], which concerned the locusts.

What makes you think I disagree with Satan's arrival with power signs and lying wonders before Christ returns???

I don't. Our disagreement is on the timing of his arrival.


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[Zadok7000]

You have to believe the locusts are normal flesh men to fit your bogus "5th trumpet takes over 40 years" timetable. It's sad.

 

[Zadok7000]

There is the division, the "rightly dividing the word." The locusts are released 1-3 and then 4- 6 they begin their last phase. We are sealed when that begins.

This is getting truly bizarre. You are not rightly dividing at ALL.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Who are the 4 angels given to hurt "the sea and trees"? Trumpets 1-4. You want to differ and say trumpets 3-6, ok. But to say it happens WITHIN the 5th trumpet is laughable exegesis. The inescapable fact is that the Elect are sealed BEFORE the 5th trumpet blows.

I agree Zadok. Those verses are about the fallen angels. I was referring to the verses I quoted in [Joel 2:22-26], which concerned the locusts.

"my army" in verse 11 is not talking about the locust army described in verses 2-21??? Confusion is reigning in you, I'm afraid.

What is the subject of Joel 2? Verse 1 puts it to rest: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand.

It's right before the Day of the Lord. Period, the end. The entire chapter describes the same army of locusts. A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it

I don't. Our disagreement is on the timing of his arrival.

Where is satans arrival described in the 6th trumpet again??? I'm waiting for your explanation...

 

[1whirlwind]

You have to believe the locusts are normal flesh men to fit your bogus "5th trumpet takes over 40 years" timetable. It's sad.

They are flesh men.



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[1whirlwind]

This is getting truly bizarre. You are not rightly dividing at ALL.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Who are the 4 angels given to hurt "the sea and trees"? Trumpets 1-4. You want to differ and say trumpets 3-6, ok. But to say it happens WITHIN the 5th trumpet is laughable exegesis. The inescapable fact is that the Elect are sealed BEFORE the 5th trumpet blows.

Where is that written?

"my army" in verse 11 is not talking about the locust army described in verses 2-21??? Confusion is reigning in you, I'm afraid.

What is the subject of Joel 2? Verse 1 puts it to rest: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand.

It's right before the Day of the Lord. Period, the end. The entire chapter describes the same army of locusts. A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it

Your quote is about the fallen angels and they come "right before the Day of the Lord" in the last five months. They are not the locusts. The locusts have been gnawing away for some time now.

Where is satans arrival described in the 6th trumpet again??? I'm waiting for your explanation...

I'm waiting for you to understand the fifth trumpet and who arrives. Do you?



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[lilmissmontana]

hi

Revelation 9:3
fifth trump

And there came out of the smoke locusts
upon the earth: and unto them was given
power, as the scorpions of the earth have
power.

And the shapes of the locusts were like
unto horses prepared unto battle; and on
their heads were as it were crowns like gold,
and their faces were as the faces of men.

crwons
Strongs dictionary ... 4735

from an appar primary, steph ... to twine or wreathe; a chaplet, as a badge of royalty a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor gen ... but more conspicuous and eleaborate than the simple fillet (1238) lit or fig ...

some would say those crowns are turbons ...

and ...

some would say the Arab nations are swarming right now ... rising in country after country ... angry ... mobs swarming ...

and that next does come the devourer ...

just food for thought ...

lilmiss

afterthought ... also the scorpion ... when it stings it basically turns the backbone to jelly ... becoming 'spineless'

 

[1whirlwind]

hi

Revelation 9:3
fifth trump

And there came out of the smoke locusts
upon the earth: and unto them was given
power, as the scorpions of the earth have
power.

And the shapes of the locusts were like
unto horses prepared unto battle; and on
their heads were as it were crowns like gold,
and their faces were as the faces of men.

crwons
Strongs dictionary ... 4735

from an appar primary, steph ... to twine or wreathe; a chaplet, as a badge of royalty a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor gen ... but more conspicuous and eleaborate than the simple fillet (1238) lit or fig ...


some would say those crowns are turbons ...

and ...

some would say the Arab nations are swarming right now ... rising in country after country ... angry ... mobs swarming ...

and that next does come the devourer ...

just food for thought ...

lilmiss

afterthought ... also the scorpion ... when it stings it basically turns the backbone to jelly ... becoming 'spineless'

You watched the same program I watched and based this thread on.

I referred to him as "the speaker" in the OP. In trying to be "more subtle than the serpent" I hesitate to mention his name. It always causes hissing. Poison being spit all over the place.



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