Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[MKJ]

A priest once told me that what happened with Christianity is that the Law went from being more external to being largely internalized. I think there is some truth to that.

Anyway, yes, I think we are meant to keep the ten commandments, but of course what that means in various situations can occasionally be complicated. The Law was never abolished, it was fulfilled.

 

[Yarddog]

What does that mean?
That I can love God and my neighbor but I can steal, covet and sneak through the window and sleep with His wife?

If you steal, you fail to love the person that you steal from. You also fail to love God by stealing.
If you covet, commit adultery, kill, etc... You fail to love.

 

[Frogster]

If you steal, you fail to love the person that you steal from. You also fail to love God by stealing.
If you covet, commit adultery, kill, etc... You fail to love.

Was the my Camaro you were driving yesterday?

 

[from scratch]

It is made clear that we as Christians are under grace and are save by grace by faith.
Does that mean that we do not keep the 10 commandments?

Nope! that means we're not obligated to them. My question is to whom were the 10 Cs given? Be inclusive with a Scripture, please.

A Jehovah's witness made it a point of telling me that the commandments are abolished. My next question was, can I have sex with you?
Answer, No!
Why Not?
We have to keep the spirit of the law.

Where does the spirit of the law idea come from? It isn't the Scripture.

What! The law died and the spirit lives?

What does Romans 7 say concerning the matter?

Is that what we believe?

Tell us what you believe. We don't desire to make false accusations. The question sounds like baiting/trolling to me. Notice I said sounds like. I didn't say it was.

Does that make sense?
If we acknowledge that we can not lie or steal or commit adultery, do we not acknowledge that the law is still for us?

Nope! Galatians 5:19-21.

 

[from scratch]

What does that mean?
That I can love God and my neighbor but I can steal, covet and sneak through the window and sleep with His wife?

Is stealing love? Is adultery love? Well maybe it is sex which is called love these days.

 

[from scratch]

How can the Golden rule nullify the 10 commandments?

Excellent question. I'd love and answer to that rhetorical question. I certianly didn't pick that up someone said the Golden Rule nullifies anything.

That is what most people state, and clearly that is not true. The golden rule is a summary of the 10.

Oh really. I've never heard that. I'd love to see some examples of that.

 

[Yarddog]

Was the my Camaro you were driving yesterday?

Joy riding isn't stealin'

 

[from scratch]

were they permanent? No..according to the very word of God.

11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

Allow me to add - Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Did the Seed come?

Hows bout this one - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

That seems to make them a has been, doesn't it?

 

[Frogster]

Joy riding isn't stealin'


Good one! And by the way, Mom said you did not take out the garbage, and you fell asleep on the couch again, watching tv!

 

[Frogster]

Allow me to add - Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Did the Seed come?

Hows bout this one - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

That seems to make them a has been, doesn't it?

ahhh yes, that little word till, that tears down this theology..Till..gotta love it!

 

[from scratch]

Only Jesus give power to over come sin. Rom. 7:24-25.
The 10 was never covering sin. But how would I know sin without the 10?
Acknowledging the law is not to gain salvation, not at all. How can I proclaim to be saved and not keep the law?

Hmmm! I thought the claim has always been the Spirit enables us to meet the requirements of the law. What happened to that claim?

 

[from scratch]

I believe when a person comes alive to God it will be hard for him not to keep the Ten Commandments because when kept they will manifest godly love.

There is a false movment that says God's Law is done away with. Without God's Law to set the standard for what godly love and righteous looks like these things will be open to private interpretation and we can see what that looks like in the religous world today.

Yeah I heard that some old guy Jeremiah started that nasty rumor and another guy named Hosea chimed in claiming even the sabbath would end. Never mind that Jesus Christ said there was something different verified by 3 people no less. I think that is one more than required by the law to establish a charge.

The only way to understand how God's Law applies today we have to understand how the two covenants worked.

What 2 covenants? I'd like to see some proof.

The old covenant influenced the outward actions of man through fear whereas the Law in the new covenant influences the heart of man which in turn influences the outward actions of man through love.

now that's interesting! Got anything to back it up with?

Loving God and loving man is the spirit or purpose of the Law.

What does Roman 11:32 say? For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Is it something else? If so what?

When we're born of God it will be hard not to keep the Ten Commandments, including remembnering to keep the Sabbath holy. But since the spirit or purpose of the Law is love we are not to put Sabbath observance over and above human needs.

Is this done by anyone in our modern day culture?

 

[hedrick]

The Sermon on the Mount has Jesus' take on several of the commandments, and other teachings during his ministry on one or two others. My understanding of his teaching is that he started with the commandments, looked at what they accomplished, and then focused on the intent. But the results were typically stricter than the originals, although in the case of the Sabbath that's not entirely true. He did refer to the commandments once when someone asked what they should do.

So I think Jesus would see the 10 commandments as a summary of how Christians should behave, but that he interpreted them very broadly, as covering things that a straight reading of the text wouldn't find, and that he focused on the intent.

So my answer would be yes, sort of.

 

[from scratch]

The Sermon on the Mount has Jesus' take on several of the commandments, and other teachings during his ministry on one or two others. My understanding of his teaching is that he started with the commandments, looked at what they accomplished, and then focused on the intent. But the results were typically stricter than the originals, although in the case of the Sabbath that's not entirely true. He did refer to the commandments once when someone asked what they should do.

So I think Jesus would see the 10 commandments as a summary of how Christians should behave, but that he interpreted them very broadly, as covering things that a straight reading of the text wouldn't find, and that he focused on the intent.

So my answer would be yes, sort of.

Interesting take.

What was asked when Jesus so responded?

Hmmm! did Jesus tell say but...? Doesn't that make what Jesus said different? Maybe I don't understand but very well.

What is meant by sort of? I see it as an either or deal. I thought that is what the poll asked also.

 

[pgp_protector]

What does that mean?
That I can love God and my neighbor but I can steal, covet and sneak through the window and sleep with His wife?

If you truly Love God & your neighbor, you won't be stealing, coveting, sleeping with another wife, or anything else the 10 commandments covers.

 

[Elder 111]

If you steal, you fail to love the person that you steal from. You also fail to love God by stealing.
If you covet, commit adultery, kill, etc... You fail to love.

So that that which we like to use to say the commandments are abolished is really telling us that it is not.
The 10 still stands!

 

[Elder 111]

Do we make God a liar when we say the 10 are abolished?
For sin is a transgression of the law.
If there is no law there can be no sin.
For there would be nothing to transgress.
So according to 1 John 1 do we make God a liar? 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[MKJ]

Excellent question. I'd love and answer to that rhetorical question. I certianly didn't pick that up someone said the Golden Rule nullifies anything.Oh really. I've never heard that. I'd love to see some examples of that.

The golden rule is just another way of saying the second pert of the summary of the law - "love thy neighbour as thyself".

""'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And there is a second like it: ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.' The whole of the Law and the Prophets depends on these two commandments."

The whole of the Law and the Prophets includes the ten commandments, which are also a kind of summary of the others.

 

[from scratch]

Do we make God a liar when we say the 10 are abolished?NOPE!! What ever happened to Jer 31:31-34, Hosea 2:11 and Luke 16:16? Who did what? Is it God or us? Notice I didn't even need Paul?

For sin is a transgression of the law.
If there is no law there can be no sin.

Not according to Scripture - Rom 5:13 and Gal 3:19.

For there would be nothing to transgress.

NOPE! Just no way to charge. All law comes about because of wrong doing for the express purpose of punishment to correct behavior or show mercy as Rom 11:32 points out.
So according to 1 John 1 do we make God a liar? 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Then what happens to I John 3:6 - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him? Does this then mean that there can be no salvation?

 

[from scratch]

The golden rule is just another way of saying the second pert of the summary of the law - "love thy neighbour as thyself".

""'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And there is a second like it: ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.' The whole of the Law and the Prophets depends on these two commandments."

The whole of the Law and the Prophets includes the ten commandments, which are also a kind of summary of the others.

I have to ask is that the position of the OP? Following the OP on the board I would have to disagree. I think that the OP position is the 10 Cs are seperate. Could be wrong. Would like for the OP to clarify with a statement on position concerning this. Please no offense or accusation intended.