Why Sola Scriptura isn't God's plan

[sunlover1]

It's not an either or. We use the Scriptures in the context in which they were given to the Church, along with the oral teachings and traditions passed on to it by Christ and His Apostles. It's not one or the other, but all - whole.

Hi Dorothea.
Perhaps you misunderstood me.
I am talking about how God used the Scriptures to
turn back the enemy. ... He would say "IT is written"

My question was, what do you use?

(You can't say "it is written" with "tradition" right?)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi Dorothea.
Perhaps you misunderstood me.
I am talking about how God used the Scriptures to
turn back the enemy. ... He would say "IT is written"

My question was, what do you use?

(You can't say "it is written" with "tradition" right?)

I would think that is referring to the writings of the ECFs


Did the ECFs really know/understand the Scriptures better? - Christian Forums
Did the ECFs really know/understand the Scriptures better?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

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The article doesn't address Sola Scriptura.


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[Standing Up]

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The article doesn't address Sola Scriptura.


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It's a stretch when an EO uses an RC tool.

 

[Thekla]

Hi Dorothea.
Perhaps you misunderstood me.
I am talking about how God used the Scriptures to
turn back the enemy. ... He would say "IT is written"

My question was, what do you use?

(You can't say "it is written" with "tradition" right?)

Satan twisted Scripture - Christ corrects in the only "language" Satan used (Scripture) to tempt Christ. Did Satan know the Scriptures as a whole/wholeness ? Obviously not the heart/spirit of Scripture, but only as a means to an end (selfish).

The Pharisees that Christ corrected "used" Scripture also selfishly - from pride.

Did Christ use the Scripture to heal ? To cast out demons ? To redeem us ?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It's a stretch when an EO uses an RC tool.

As they say, it takes 2 to tango

http://www.christianforums.com/t7490477/
Question on "2 Lungs" of the Church

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Satan twisted Scripture - Christ corrects in the only "language" Satan used (Scripture) to tempt Christ. Did Satan know the Scriptures as a whole/wholeness ? Obviously not the heart/spirit of Scripture, but only as a means to an end (selfish).

The Pharisees that Christ corrected "used" Scripture also selfishly - from pride.
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So, which is it? Are teachers accountable or not? Was Eve right to accept what Satan said with "quiet docilic submission" or should she have instead compared what Satan was saying with what God said? Is a teacher exempt from accountability if the self same so insists for the self same alone?

I agree - Scripture can be misquoted, misinterpreted and misapplied. THAT, to me, SUPPORTS the idea of accountability, not negate it. If accountability is embraced (even for the one who rejects it for self alone), then norming (the process of evaluating correctness) is also embraced - and the question becomes WHAT best serves as the rule - canon - norma normans - standard - plumbline? AH, then you get to the issue of Sola Scriptura....

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[sunlover1]

Satan twisted Scripture - Christ corrects in the only "language" Satan used (Scripture) to tempt Christ. Did Satan know the Scriptures as a whole/wholeness ? Obviously not the heart/spirit of Scripture, but only as a means to an end (selfish).

The Pharisees that Christ corrected "used" Scripture also selfishly - from pride.

Did Christ use the Scripture to heal ? To cast out demons ? To redeem us ?

What is your main point please?
So you DON"T use Scripture to turn back the enemy?

 

[Thekla]

What is your main point please?
So you DON"T use Scripture to turn back the enemy?

If Scripture alone turns back the enemy, why was the pride of those Pharisees (that Christ corrected) not turned back when they used Scripture ?

 

[Chesterton]

The article doesn't address Sola Scriptura.

... - norma normans - ...

 

[sunlover1]

If Scripture alone turns back the enemy, why was the pride of those Pharisees (that Christ corrected) not turned back when they used Scripture ?

I'm talking about the enemy...
We don't wrestle flesh and blood,...

What do you have that turns back the enemy if not Scripture?

 

[BrendanMark]

The indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and union with God in prayer is better than any words, including Scripture. Such presence and prayer is learned from Scripture as well as tradition.

Much Catholic and Orthodox theology concerning prayer and union with God is spiritual warfare.

Thus for Evagrius the terms ‘thoughts’ (logismoi) and ‘fantasies’ (phantasiai) took on a strongly negative cast, with the letter term bearing much of its modern psychological connotations. Behind each thought there stood a demon at work, to the extent that Evagrius would frequently use the terms ‘thought’, ‘demon’, and ‘evil spirit’ interchangeably. Although at times it seems almost as if Evagrius has reduced the demonic reality to a mere psychological manifestation, at other times he makes is abundantly clear that he perceives the demons as individual, rational beings that seek with savage ferocity to pervert the human mind from its natural activity, the contemplation of God.
Sinkewicz, Robert E. – Evagrius of Pontus – The Greek Ascetic Corpus [Oxford Early Christian Studies 2003, p xxv]

 

[ivebeenshown]

The indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and union with God in prayer is better than any words, including Scripture. Such presence and prayer is learned from Scripture as well as tradition.

I like your style.

 

[BrendanMark]

Thank you. I try, and sometimes may accidentally post something of value to someone.

I just do not see how words in a book are more effective than God Himself (the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit) when dealing with the Enemy (or my own sinful nature).

 

[Thekla]

I'm talking about the enemy...
We don't wrestle flesh and blood,...

What do you have that turns back the enemy if not Scripture?

Jesus Christ.

 

[Montalban]

It's a stretch when an EO uses an RC tool.

Yeah it's always nasty to use points where others agree.

 

[Montalban]

Thank you. I try, and sometimes may accidentally post something of value to someone.

I just do not see how words in a book are more effective than God Himself (the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit) when dealing with the Enemy (or my own sinful nature).

That is in fact a better take on things given that we hear that the Word of God was made flesh.

Jesus didn't exist in a book.

He taught and gave witness to the Father through himself as God and Man amongst us.

 

[Andrew Ryan]

I came across this article a while ago:

The Practical Problems With Sola Scriptura

Very nice, this has probably already been posted but I also like this one from FE:

Sola Scriptura

 

[ARBITER01]

If you can point out in your self-authorising Bible where it says that it and only it are to be relied upon that would be excellent.

You were told by me to cease all contact with me. That means all contact. I won't warn anymore.

 

[ARBITER01]

Rather, I am trying to help you see the proper context for scripture.

yea right.

Go sell that to someone gullible.