Why Sola Scriptura isn't God's plan

[ivebeenshown]

Yep, you're also right about that. When folks say, I am of Peter, we immediately know that scripture says, they're carnal, babies in Christ.

Interesting post, though I see nobody saying 'I am of Peter.'

Who here immediately knows what is written in Hebrews regarding submitting to elders/authorities?

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Interesting post, though I see nobody saying 'I am of Peter.'

Who here immediately knows what is written in Hebrews regarding submitting to elders/authorities?

do enlighten us...

 

[Kepha]

That's really sorta funny

(it was Philip, not Paul)

I skimmed and thought you were talking about Paul since one of the other posters mentioned him too in response to yours. Now that I read your post more carefully (Eunich is spelled Eunuch btw) I can see who you meant. But the focal point of my answer remains the same regardless.

 

[ARBITER01]

I know what Peter said about it,..

1Pe 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, be subject unto the elder. Yea, all of you gird yourselves with humility, to serve one another: for God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble.

There comes a point with GOD where we are no longer "the younger."

 

[Kepha]

Then why did Paul have to explain for us what some OT scriptures were hinting at?

Better yet. Why did they have to have a council to decide the question regarding the Law of circumcision on the Gentile converts if sS was good enough.

Answer: Because it's not.

 

[Kepha]

Not only that but there are different levels of understanding and maturity in
Christ... There are "ministers" (we're ALL able ministers) that know way less
about the kingdom than some of the GT posters..
(No, i didn't say "posers" )

Glad you're back Arbiter

How do you know who has the higher level of understanding and who doesn't in order to not waste your time learning from some fool preaching the word of man?

 

[ARBITER01]

Better yet. Why did they have to have a council to decide the question regarding the Law of circumcision on the Gentile converts if sS was good enough.

Answer: Because it's not.

Uhhhhh,....I could see if all of newly established Christianity had bibles float down out of the sky into their hands at this point, but such was not the case.

I know that you are adamant to condemn such a practice that your church so conveniently condemns also, but in this case, you're overreaching.

 

[Standing Up]

I skimmed and thought you were talking about Paul since one of the other posters mentioned him too in response to yours. Now that I read your post more carefully (Eunich is spelled Eunuch btw) I can see who you meant. But the focal point of my answer remains the same regardless.

I'm sure you know. I just thought it funny within the context of correcting.

PS. touche on the eunuch spelling

 

[Standing Up]

Interesting post, though I see nobody saying 'I am of Peter.'

Who here immediately knows what is written in Hebrews regarding submitting to elders/authorities?

Do tell.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Better yet. Why did they have to have a council to decide the question regarding the Law of circumcision on the Gentile converts if sS was good enough.

Answer: Because it's not.

Or further, why did we have to have a council to decide anything if SS was enough??

 

[Standing Up]

Or further, why did we have to have a council to decide anything if SS was enough??

Interesting question.

Acts 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

It seems good to go to the leaders, yet Paul didn't care the outcome.

Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

So, Councils are fine, but not to confuse that Truth is automatically found therein for it is not always. Recall, that it was the "it is written", scripture says, that silenced those who had troubles with Gentiles receiving grace apart from Law.

 

[sunlover1]

Better yet. Why did they have to have a council to decide the question regarding the Law of circumcision on the Gentile converts if sS was good enough.

Answer: Because it's not.

Non sequitur.
You can have a meeting and still use the Bible as your standard.
God bless you.

How do you know who has the higher level of understanding and who doesn't in order to not waste your time learning from some fool preaching the word of man?

You mean from my own experience?
Well, I have been tricked by the enemy and it was a very low down dirty
thing that happened, and i fell for it hook line and sinker.. That was a very
long time ago but God always uses those things for good!
The good thing that came from that is that I sought the Lord (late) and
learned to hear His voice. (also why I'm SS)

We MUST hear our Lord's voice.
And studying the Bible will help us to know what God might
say and what the impostors might say. (It will help us to
know His voice... and to know Him more intimately)

It's easy to hear God's voice, but not easy to trust that it IS His voice.
So imo, the hardest part is to convince people to trust their heart
in this...

When I pray for my day, I pray Gods will be done in my life today.. I pray
Father guide me, lead me, help me to hear you, use me to bless... etc.

And then I act accordingly (walk by faith now)
My life is so much richer this way. I don't have to worry or fuss about
getting my own way because.. tadaaaaah..
Dont WANT my own way.

Anyhow, that's my opinion, study, listen and pray for wisdom...

God bless you!

 

[StThomasMore]

Sorry but she is right. It is The Holy Spirit within us that shall lead us into all truth. Only GOD is trustworthy, not men.

You may as well throw away the bible then with that view if your gonna disconnect men from God's revelation.

Can you image if the Hebrews said something like that to Moses? This attitude kinda reminds me of Korah.

not men? Like Moses, Paul, James, Peter, Jeremiah, Aaron, David, Ezekial, Isaiah, Jonah, Obadiah, Titus, Baruch, Joseph, Abraham, Jacob, Elijah, Elisha, and Solomon?

If you did some bible study, you will find that God tends to speak through men. Hence what some men say obviously is important.

Yes, Jesus is actually all in all.

that sounds very pantheistic.

I think that's because of what you're used to ..
and so tbh, and meaning no disrespect, I feel that
the EO and RCC don't understand the power of the
"IT IS WRITTEN" that is needful to walk in victory
in this life.

And we don't think you understand the power of 1 Timothy 3:15, Matthew 18:18, or Thessalonians 2:15. In fact you simply ignore them or screen over them without any comment. And I think you do that because you know they discredit sola scriptura.

Thee scriptures say they are profitable towards salvation, but they never say they are the only source. That is a made up doctrine long after early Christendom. No Church = no NT. The Church canonized and propagated it. People who try to take out the Church and the bishops do nothing but divide the word and the actions of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Montalban]

Jesus, while a man on Earth, was a sola scripturist.

That's patently false.

Certainly he uses Scripture, but his lesson goes beyond it.

For instance he gets people to think about Leviticus 19:18 which says....
"Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

Here's how Jesus does this...
Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you

He directly refers to Scripture and tells us how it doesn't say all that he wills
The conjunction "But" is used to provide contrast.

If he was a sola scripturist then he would have had to stop the lesson at Matthew 5:43 and not go beyond it.

 

[ARBITER01]

You may as well throw away the bible then with that view if your gonna disconnect men from God's revelation.

Can you image if the Hebrews said something like that to Moses? This attitude kinda reminds me of Korah.

not men? Like Moses, Paul, James, Peter, Jeremiah, Aaron, David, Ezekial, Isaiah, Jonah, Obadiah, Titus, Baruch, Joseph, Abraham, Jacob, Elijah, Elisha, and Solomon?

If you did some bible study, you will find that God tends to speak through men. Hence what some men say obviously is important.

Well I'm sorry my friend, but not everything that someone writes is automatically considered from The Holy Spirit, no matter what denomination they claim they are from.

Our earliest sources of NT truth are those writings from our apostles, nothing else is earlier, so I'm not interested in considering later sources that are nothing more than contentious against that very truth brought forth out of our apostles, if not outright lies against The Holy Spirit.

 

[Stryder06]

Never realised it until you posted this, but I think He was referring to Himself in a roundabout way. After all, Jesus is called the Word.

I wouldn't exclude that idea at all, but I think in a larger sense, Christ was talking about the scriptures. Remember that prayer was for the disciples and for us as well. The written word sanctifies us for it leads us to the living Word. At least, that's how I see it.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Non sequitur.
You can have a meeting and still use the Bible as your standard.
God bless you.

I don't think it's irrelevant. If we are all equipped with the Holy Spirit and able to discern the word by ourselves, then why would a council be necessary to discuss and to formulate doctrine? It should be obvious from scripture to each person, should it not?

 

[Ortho_Cat]

I wouldn't exclude that idea at all, but I think in a larger sense, Christ was talking about the scriptures. Remember that prayer was for the disciples and for us as well. The written word sanctifies us for it leads us to the living Word. At least, that's how I see it.

And what tradition led you to believe that he is talking solely about the written word in this sense, and a) not Himself, and b) not the spoken word of God. Could he not be referring to all three at the same time?

Again, is Christ not the Word of God in flesh? What other word of God is there but Him?

 

[sunlover1]

I don't think it's irrelevant. If we are all equipped with the Holy Spirit and able to discern the word by ourselves, then why would a council be necessary to discuss and to formulate doctrine? It should be obvious from scripture to each person, should it not?

God always blesses us THROUGH men.
The Scriptures were even given 'through' men.
WE are His BODY in every sense of that word...
Christ's (many membered) body.
He has nothing else to use but us.. well and donkeys i guess.
kidding ya know.

 

[Stryder06]

And what tradition led you to believe that he is talking solely about the written word in this sense, and a) not Himself, and b) not the spoken word of God. Could he not be referring to all three at the same time?

Again, is Christ not the Word of God in flesh? What other word of God is there but Him?

How I understand the bible isn't from tradition but from studying the bible. It's really not all that complicated. I read, I pray, I read, I pray, I contemplate, I ask questions, I balance answers with what I've read, etc. Throw in a dash of context and you've got yourself a receipe for understanding scripture ;-)