Why Sola Scriptura isn't God's plan

[Ortho_Cat]

Problem is that you think Paul thought the way you do, while we think Paul thought the way we do. That scripture in no way shows that man has the authority to create doctrine. The church is the pillar and foundation of the truth because it contains the living word of God. But again, when you think church you probably think EO. When we think church we think the body of believers everywhere.

by word of God, I assume you are referring to the bible here.

You are going above scripture in order to make this assertion. This text says no such thing. It says merely that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth, and Paul refers to the church specifically here as a visible institution with overseers (bishops) and deacons.

 

[sunlover1]

by word of God, I assume you are referring to the bible here.

You are going above scripture in order to make this assertion. This text says no such thing. It says merely that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth, and Paul refers to the church specifically here as a visible institution with overseers (bishops) and deacons.

I think it's partly both no?
Pillar and foundation of what?
of truth.
(THY WORD oh God is Truth)

 

[Ortho_Cat]

I think it's partly both no?
Pillar and foundation of what?
of truth.
(THY WORD oh God is Truth)

The foundation and pillar of truth is the Church, Christ's body, the truth is Christ, the Head of His Body.

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life"

 

[Philothei]

Problem is that you think Paul thought the way you do, while we think Paul thought the way we do. That scripture in no way shows that man has the authority to create doctrine. The church is the pillar and foundation of the truth because it contains the living word of God. But again, when you think church you probably think EO. When we think church we think the body of believers everywhere.

YouTube - How the New Testament was formed

So the ARian contraversy should never had a counsil to figure out this dogma...and let the Church be some with ARius and some with "orthodox" dogma... So the Creed is not important?? what? Actually that canon came out of this council . They see the need for the canon Thus the dogma was indeed formulating before or at least at the same time

 

[sunlover1]

That's just it... it is possible to be deceived into believing God is with you. Not saying you are/were, just saying Satan himself can disguise as an angel of light. But I'm sure you knew that, it's in the scriptures, which we both greatly enjoy.

Certainly it's possible ibs.
It's possible for you to be deceived that your denomination has fullness of truth too.
It's possible for anyone to be deceived about anything.
God does say His word is truth.
Jesus Himself says that He is the way the truth and the life.
There are many passages in the Bible that address spirit of
error, how not to be deceived, and other such .. Proverbs is
probably especially rich.
My practice is to pray for love, wisdom and direction... and to pray
that His will be done in my life AS it is in Heaven...

Yes, I love His Word too, as in His Lamp unto my feet and light to my path,
and as in His Son Jesus.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7542407-17/

Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that one. I guess I havent been following
it too well.
Thanks

 

[sunlover1]

The foundation and pillar of truth is the Church, Christ's body, the truth is Christ, the Head of His Body.

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life"

Of course the pillar and foundation of truth is the church.
That's what the Bible says...

The 'truth" is speaking of "the truth" and God says His Word,
as in His Word (Not just jesus) is truth.

If Scripture says that the way to a city was blocked, it doesnt
mean that "Jesus" was blocked.
Truth also means ........."truth"
Just as the RCC says that they hold the fullness of truth..
they mean that they have the full truth...

So Apostles and prophets are the foundation of the church...
Christ is the chief cornerstone ...
And the church is the foundation (support) of 'the truth'.

But because of youre denom icon, I don't think that you believe this
what I believe.

Cant remember what your denomination believes.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

Certainly it's possible ibs.
It's possible for you to be deceived that your denomination has fullness of truth too.
It's possible for anyone to be deceived about anything.
God does say His word is truth.
Jesus Himself says that He is the way the truth and the life.
There are many passages in the Bible that address spirit of
error, how not to be deceived, and other such .. Proverbs is
probably especially rich.
My practice is to pray for love, wisdom and direction... and to pray
that His will be done in my life AS it is in Heaven...

Yes, I love His Word too, as in His Lamp unto my feet and light to my path,
and as in His Son Jesus.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

Of course the pillar and foundation of truth is the church.
That's what the Bible says...

The 'truth" is speaking of "the truth" and God says His Word,
as in His Word (Not just jesus) is truth.

If Scripture says that the way to a city was blocked, it doesnt
mean that "Jesus" was blocked.
Truth also means ........."truth"
Just as the RCC says that they hold the fullness of truth..
they mean that they have the full truth...

So Apostles and prophets are the foundation of the church...
Christ is the chief cornerstone ...
And the church is the foundation (support) of 'the truth'.

(again)

I find your post to be very edifying, by the way. May God bless you, my sister in Christ.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Of course the pillar and foundation of truth is the church.
That's what the Bible says...

The 'truth" is speaking of "the truth" and God says His Word,
as in His Word (Not just jesus) is truth.

If Scripture says that the way to a city was blocked, it doesnt
mean that "Jesus" was blocked.
Truth also means ........."truth"
Just as the RCC says that they hold the fullness of truth..
they mean that they have the full truth...

So Apostles and prophets are the foundation of the church...
Christ is the chief cornerstone ...
And the church is the foundation (support) of 'the truth'.

But because of youre denom icon, I don't think that you believe this
what I believe.

Cant remember what your denomination believes.

God says He is Truth by saying, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." Christ is the eternal Word of God, yet He is also a person. The Word of God is not limited to words that are spoken or written down; He is a person with whom we are to develop a relationship with through the church. Sometimes I feel that protestants limit the meaning of the Word of God (unintentionally or intentionally) by primarily using the name to refer to the bible.

 

[Standing Up]

-snip- and Paul refers to the church specifically here as a visible institution with overseers (bishops) and deacons.

someone else recognizes the scriptural and very early Church structure of overseers (bishops) and deacons, rather than what came later bishops, priests, and deacons.

But not to derail.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

bible speaks of both presbyters and bishops. As the church expanded and grew, the organizational structure needed to adapt to accomodate it. Not really a big deal.

 

[sunlover1]

(again)

I find your post to be very edifying, by the way. May God bless you, my sister in Christ.

God bless you too Diligently seeking God.
LOVE that.
If you seek me you will find me, if you seek me with all of your heart!
I will never forget the first time I read that and took Him up on it.
GOOSEbumps thinking of it LOL
Wow,, you really blessed me girl! Thank you

God says He is Truth by saying, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life."

Sure, we mentioned that already

Christ is the eternal Word of God, yet He is also a person.

Christ is the anointed. Yes, Jesus is actually all in all.

The Word of God is not limited to words that are spoken or written down;

Of course not. We already discussed that as well.

He is a person with whom we are to develop a relationship with through the church.

Just the opposite.
We HAVE a relationship.. The relationship is that He is God to us.
Did you mean develop fellowship? Or did you mean those who have
not been born again perhaps..?

We ARE the church, we have the relationshiip with each other through Christ...the Head... not we have relationship with Christ through each other.

Sometimes I feel that protestants limit the meaning of the Word of God (unintentionally or intentionally) by primarily using the name to refer to the bible.

I think that's because of what you're used to ..
and so tbh, and meaning no disrespect, I feel that
the EO and RCC don't understand the power of the
"IT IS WRITTEN" that is needful to walk in victory
in this life.
And I am going to try harder to put in words what I
have learned over the years that has richly blessed
me, that others might also be blessed. We should all
probably do that .. but then again, not many of us
like to learn new ideas

 

[Stryder06]

by word of God, I assume you are referring to the bible here.

You are going above scripture in order to make this assertion. This text says no such thing. It says merely that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth, and Paul refers to the church specifically here as a visible institution with overseers (bishops) and deacons.

The church is a visible institution. They shall know we are Christians by our denomination???? Wait no, it's by our love. That's right. What Paul isn't doing is asserting that the church is the truth. As stated earlier "Thy word O God, is truth". The gospel is truth, and what is the gospel? That Jesus came, died, and rose again on the 3rd day, thus making the way for everyone to be saved.

 

[Stryder06]

God says He is Truth by saying, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." Christ is the eternal Word of God, yet He is also a person. The Word of God is not limited to words that are spoken or written down; He is a person with whom we are to develop a relationship with through the church. Sometimes I feel that protestants limit the meaning of the Word of God (unintentionally or intentionally) by primarily using the name to refer to the bible.

Jesus is ineed the way the Truth and the Life. Jesus also said to His Father "Thy Word...is truth". He wasn't speaking about Himself. It's not about limiting the word of God, but using that phrase appropriately, if you will.

A church saying that it has Jesus is as well and good, but it doesn't mean squat if it's not proclaiming the truth about Jesus.

 

[Philothei]

Jesus is ineed the way the Truth and the Life. Jesus also said to His Father "Thy Word...is truth". He wasn't speaking about Himself. It's not about limiting the word of God, but using that phrase appropriately, if you will.

A church saying that it has Jesus is as well and good, but it doesn't mean squat if it's not proclaiming the truth about Jesus.

Which church is NOT proclaiming the truth about Jesus?

 

[Stryder06]

Which church is NOT proclaiming the truth about Jesus?

Will not answer lest a flame war start. I wasn't pointing the finger at anyone but making a point. Suffice it to say, we all can't be preaching thes same thing about the same Jesus or else there'd be no division.

 

[ikonographics]

" What did those poor 1st century women do when they couldn't read? Ask their husbands

That would be oral tradition.

 

[NaLuvena]

Jesus is ineed the way the Truth and the Life. Jesus also said to His Father "Thy Word...is truth". He wasn't speaking about Himself. It's not about limiting the word of God, but using that phrase appropriately, if you will.

A church saying that it has Jesus is as well and good, but it doesn't mean squat if it's not proclaiming the truth about Jesus.

Never realised it until you posted this, but I think He was referring to Himself in a roundabout way. After all, Jesus is called the Word.

 

[plmarquette]

Biblica | Home what language you looking for? per case / per pallete

the discussion was between tradition and per bible, what we practice in our tenants of faith, should be found within the "Holy Writ" we read / have access to

have time??? own a television or computer...have plenty of time...waste 6-8 hours every day... 15 minutes a day will take you cover to cover in the bible every 6-8 months

bible says, about the bible... except born again, spirit filled, and have a minister... how can one hear and understand the word of God

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Jesus is ineed the way the Truth and the Life. Jesus also said to His Father "Thy Word...is truth". He wasn't speaking about Himself. It's not about limiting the word of God, but using that phrase appropriately, if you will.

A church saying that it has Jesus is as well and good, but it doesn't mean squat if it's not proclaiming the truth about Jesus.

Of course he was referring to himself. Are you saying there is another 'word of God' outside of Christ? Christ is the eternal Word of God, he spoke all things into being and sustains them. Yet, the Word is also a person which took on flesh, lest we forget that.