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I just googled "modified physics", and could not find anything remotely similar to your definition of it...the closest I could come to deals with ASTROphysics and cosmology...I would LOVE to see your link to the matter.
 
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Spiritual death is not a metaphor -- it is literal.
It is explaining a more difficult concept in terms of concrete physical concept that we can see and understand. Bit like the word spirit itself which originally meant breath or wind, but was used as a metaphor to reach beyond the physical meaning.
 
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It is explaining a more difficult concept in terms of concrete physical concept that we can see and understand. Bit like the word spirit itself which originally meant breath or wind, but was used as a metaphor to reach beyond the physical meaning.
What's your point? did I say something wrong?
 
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They're called 'alchemists' when they failed, right?

Had they been successful, they would have been called, 'scientists', eh?

Do you even know what alchemy is?...
Here's an introduction for ya
Alchemy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Do you even know what alchemy is?...
Should I?

It was a scientific endeavor that failed, so now they blame it on the "medieval arts".

Was Phlogiston not science? the Challenger attempt at orbit? S.E.T.I.?

Thanks to science, we can now play [Nerf] football in the house and electrocute ourselves plugging our sonic toothbrushes into an alternating socket in the room of the house that has the highest humidity.

It's still science, though.
 
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I've heard an interesting interpretation of Genesis concerining Adam's "rib":

Men actually aren't missing any ribs -- that's just a myth. The Jews would've seen enough skeletons to have noticed that, so the notion of this myth explaining a situation which didn't actually exist makes little sense.

What I've heard, is that "rib" is actually a mistranslation, and the bone that eve was supposedly made out of was, in fact, the baculum. Humans are one of the few mammals who do not posess this bone -- something else the Jews would've noticed by looking at a couple of skeletons.

Now here we have two tangentally related situations (the presence of females, and the lack of a certain male "bone.") both begging for an explanation -- does it seem plausible that the Jews would kill two birds with one mythological stone?
Interesting idea which might even tie in to the whole idea of circumcision in the OT, though reading up on it, I would like to see a stronger lexicological link between the Hebrew tsela and the idea of a baculum. Brings a whole new meaning to argumentum ad baculum.

Which is kind of interesting, because the only way to conclude that God didn't flat out lie and that the serpent was telling the truth is to read it metaphorically.
So unless the writer was a closet Satanist, he must have intended it metaphorically.
 
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I just googled "modified physics", and could not find anything remotely similar to your definition of it...the closest I could come to deals with ASTROphysics and cosmology...
I know what you mean. After the original big bang theory no longer fit observations, instead of falsifying the theory they decided to modify the physics; instead of an explosion within space it became an explosion of space itself.
I would LOVE to see your link to the matter.
The law of modified physics is a term sometimes used when referring to miracles. It has to do with the spiritual rules that govern how matter behaves.

Here's the link:

 
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Because He tells us in the Bible who the parable is for and He makes it known to all believers.
Then why do believers disagree as to whether Genesis is a parable?

Agree


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I'm confused; are you saying you agree with what I said, or that Christians would agree with what you said? :scratch:

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old SERPENT, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Interesting.

No contradiction. I made that clear without having to point fingers.

Romans 10:13-17 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
That doesn't address my point, as far as I can tell. To recap:

Me: [W]ho's to say Genesis wasn't a metaphor? Moreover, does it even matter?
You: To a Christian it means everything.

But you later said:

You: Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ or not believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is all that matters as far as Salvation is concerned.

So in the first case, you said that the issue of whether Genesis is literal or metaphorical, means everything to Christians.
But in the second case, you said that only belief in (on?) Jesus is what matters.

So, which is it? Does one's stance on whether Genesis is literal or metaphorical, actually matter?
 
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:scratch: -- huh?

It's the worst way to die.
And the bread of life is the much better than ordinary bread.
John 6:50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.
It is still a metaphor. You see creationist have a very low opinion of metaphors, yet they are used in the bible to describe things much greater, or much worse than the literal meaning.
 
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You see creationist have a very low opinion of metaphors, yet they are used in the bible to describe things much greater, or much worse than the literal meaning.
And once again, Assyrian; spiritual death is not a metaphor.

No matter what I think of metaphors -- (I happen to like them, myself) -- the rules of metaphor do not apply to death in Genesis 3.
 
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what in particular?
You mixed up literal and real. Spiritual death is real but calling it death is a metaphor.
The spiritual death is real but the death is a metaphor? :scratch:

As AV indicated, spiritual death is more real than the physical.

When Jesus came into the ruler's house...He said to them, "Make room, for the girl is not dead, but sleeping."...He went in and took her by the hand, and the girl arose. - Matt 9:23-25.

Physical death is a temporary form of "sleep" from which we will arise. Spiritual death is eternal.
 
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And the bread of life is the much better than ordinary bread.
John 6:50
This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.
It is still a metaphor. You see creationist have a very low opinion of metaphors, yet they are used in the bible to describe things much greater, or much worse than the literal meaning.
The bread is a metaphor, the dying is real.

In addition, the eating of the bread is used as a metaphor representing a real person in whom we put our trust, Jesus.

Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life." - John 6:35.

This is no different from Satan as a real being in Genesis 3 being spoken of as a serpent.
 
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And once again, Assyrian; spiritual death is not a metaphor.

No matter what I think of metaphors -- (I happen to like them, myself) -- the rules of metaphor do not apply to death in Genesis 3.
Ok I have explained how it is a metaphor, you need to do a bit more than simply claim it isn't.
 
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