Bible-Creation-Evolution

[Nabobalis]

The story starts in 1620, but officially in 1776.

Go on.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The story starts in 1620, but officially in 1776.

!!! JERUSALEM !!!

Actually, AV -- the story of the Bible being used as a tool for self-worship and jingoism goes back much further -- but kudos to you for keeping it relevant.

 

[Nabobalis]

The story starts in 1620, but officially in 1776.

!!! JERUSALEM !!!

It seems I was ninjad!

That explains nothing, if you mean the USA and I assume you do, you are forgetting that the Soviet Union did most of the work to combat Hitler.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

So when you go to the doctor to get painkillers you have no whatsoever faith that he will heal you? you know that he will?

I have neither faith nor, technically, knowledge. I have empirically verified belief.

And I don't go to the doctor's for painkillers I go for vaccinations against flu and Hep and things, for my asthma medication, for antibiotics if I get a bacterial infection, etc. Somehow I don't think it's luck that means

And also, i been cured from downs and everytime i precive a cold, or a foodpoisoning, i call upon Jesus, it has cured me alot of times...

If you pray to Jesus to heal you, how long do you have to be ill for before you consider it to have failed? Colds and food poisoning last on average a few days at most, and I daresay don't pray until you've been ill for some time. So is Jesus healing you, or is your body healing itself naturally?

... to be fair, that time i was in the gaschamber Jesus saved me as i cryed out to him. i been in a gas chamber and survived thanks to Jesus, i have seen the smoke come down from the cealing. I was exposed to second degree murder, and survived because i cried out to the Lord. Christians famously calls this the athority of the believer...

You were in a gas chamber? As in, a Nazi concentration camp during the Second World War? How awful...

If that is the case, and I mean no disrespect... why did Jesus save you, and not the millions of Jews who were also undoubtedly praying?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Ya, it sure did -- that's why Thalidomide was caught ahead of time, wasn't it?

Correct. It was marketed before it was trialled, then the medical and scientific communities told politicians to fix their laws and stop pharmaceutical companies from distributing untested drugs.

But because you'll completely ignore all that, consider thalidomide as a failure. People make mistakes. Sometimes, they make tragic mistakes. But you're an idiot if you think that invalidates all medical knowledge.

Something tells me you'll still go to the doctor's if you get shot, however.

I don't buy your explanation.

Frankly, I couldn't care less.

 

[Lillen]

Sweden sterilized alot of gypsies and races that were thought to be less worth until 1975... even though i believe they still do this today which is only speculations. the race biological institute of uppsala officially closed 45 years ago.

We still have this Nietzsches philsophy hanging around...

 

[Lillen]

So you are saying that you still believe that the doctor will heal you?

You need to explain your defintion of belief and how it seperates from the word faith...

 

[AV1611VET]

But because you'll completely ignore all that, consider thalidomide as a failure.

Why should I consider Thalidomide a failure? didn't it molecularly do just what it was supposed to do?

Just like the Challenger, I have a feeling the failure wasn't nature's fault.

 

[Lillen]

The first thing i do if i get shot is scream "Jesus help me", the second thing i do is becoming calm, the third thing i do is say to the murdere "God forgives you for shooting me", and the last thing i do is call 911! (or 112 as it is in sweden)

 

[Assyrian]

It seems I was ninjad!

That explains nothing, if you mean the USA and I assume you do, you are forgetting that the Soviet Union did most of the work to combat Hitler.

!!! JERUSALEM !!!

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Sweden sterilized alot of gypsies and races that were thought to be less worth until 1975... even though i believe they still do this today which is only speculations. the race biological institute of uppsala officially closed 45 years ago.

We still have this Nietzsches philsophy hanging around...

How awful. Nonetheless, my points stand.

 

[Lillen]

I can show you my rabit tooth, and proudly proclaimed that im not dead yet thanks to Jesus

 

[AV1611VET]

It seems I was ninjad!

That explains nothing, if you mean the USA and I assume you do, you are forgetting that the Soviet Union did most of the work to combat Hitler.

!!! JERUSALEM !!!

While you foreigners are busy trying not to understand, you do realize that the U.S. Bill of Rights insures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil, do you not?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I can show you my rabit tooth, and proudly proclaimed that im not dead yet thanks to Jesus

Maybe the power of the Rabbit's Foot saved you instead

 

[AV1611VET]

I can show you my rabit tooth, and proudly proclaimed that im not dead yet thanks to Jesus

Don't do that -- they'll show you a pig's tooth and claim it was once considered a part of Nebraska man.

(Or maybe not.)

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The first thing i do if i get shot is scream "Jesus help me", the second thing i do is becoming calm, the third thing i do is say to the murdere "God forgives you for shooting me", and the last thing i do is call 911! (or 112 as it is in sweden)

Do you routinely get shot?

So you are saying that you still believe that the doctor will heal you?

You need to explain your defintion of belief and how it seperates from the word faith...

Belief: affirmation of truth. If I believe in statement X, I affirm that X is true. Saying "I believe in God" is shorthand for "I affirm God exists".
Faith: like belief, but without good reason. If you have faith God exists, you affirm he exists without any physical proof of his existence. You just have faith that he exists.

So when I say I believe doctors will heal me, I'm affirming the truth of that claim. When I say I don't have faith that doctors will heal me, I'm basically saying that I have good reason to affirm that claim.

So I affirm that doctors will heal me because I have good reason to.

 

[sandwiches]

So far in this thread, there has only been one answer to the question.
In the beginning ...? My answer to this question is :
In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth.

My question to you is what do you believe to be the answer to In the beginning...?

Your question is unrelated to your claim. First you claim that the ONLY answer there is is yours, then you ask me which answer I believe.

So, I'll break up my answer in two:
Your claim that there is only one answer is wrong. There's several different answers besides yours including that of the Big Bang, the Hindus, the Nahua, the Hopi, and even Christians who do not believe in a 6 day creation.

Second, the only answer I believe may be correct is the Big Bang.

 

[Lillen]

Actually i have a rabied tooth, i've had it for 10 - 18 years without knowing it... the last 7 years i been disputing with psychiatrists over strap-ons and so on... but i survived it, they couldn't put me to death and i didn't do any horrible act that would've caused me to have bad conscience, so bad i would've commited suecide... I have fully trust in Jesus that now after the aggressive fase the tooth root doesnt show on the gums.

I don't trusts rabbit feets... i trust in Jesus who i wholly believe will heal me from the remaining symhtoms.. so much i can say that i see the root of one of my teeth on the gums, thanks to snuff...

 

[TerranceL]

The world would be speaking German and walking in lock-step right now, if it wasn't for Jesus.

Of course, everyone would be employed, and there would be no 3rd-world countries, so I suppose that would appeal to some.

Jesus put an end to Hitler's [attempted] technocracy.

Really? Which division did he serve in?

 

[Assyrian]

While you foreigners are busy trying not to understand,

Understand what? The country that did the most to defeat Hitler, the country that lost far more soldiers and civilians in the war than anyone else were the Russians. Credit where credits due here.

you do realize that the U.S. Bill of Rights insures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil, do you not?

*cough*Native Americans*cough*