John Macarthur on the pope and the papacy

[Osage Bluestem]

YouTube - POPE AND THE PAPACY Part 1. JOHN MACARTHUR

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[JM]

I'm shocked AND appalled!
















You didn't post my video.

 

[JM]

The Sacramental Treadmill. Or, How to get to heaven the Roman Catholic Way. Or, It is easy as 1, 2, 3…err…4, 5, 6, 7, 8, etc.

Enlarged View of the Chart:
http://exotesparemboles.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/rcc-justification-flow-chart-150-dpi.jpg

 

[LightFighter]

Great flow chart. Really shows how convoluted Catholic doctrine is.

 

[His_disciple3]

you know if one has been decieved by the catholic's doctrine or even by John MacCarthur's false doctrine(Calvinism) . the one true fact about deception, is we all know who the great deciever is, and if one is decieved they won't know that they are decieved. but when this deception is revealed by scriptures. we all have a choice at that time, either stayed decieved and also continue to decieve others, for pride will not let us admit that we was decieved. or humble ourselves before God and ask for forgiveness, and do what we can from that point to preach the Truth. But I find it as the scriptures says John Mac needs to get the beam out of His own eye before He trys to get the splinter out of the Pope eye! if the elect are the ones appointed, before time began, as John Mac preaches; then why did Paul preach this:

2 Timothy 2:10-12
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
KJV
the elect needs to obtain salvation? "IF" doesn't if mean there is an option. if we deny, if we suffer, sounds to me like there is a condition on getting in even for the elect as well as the lost, So John Mac is pointing fingers at the Pope???? If we be dead with Him we shall also live with Him

 

[Hammster]

the elect needs to obtain salvation?

Um, you do know that the elect are lost before getting saved, right?

 

[His_disciple3]

Um, you do know that the elect are lost before getting saved, right?

that's what I haved been told but that is even more confusing, If God predestined you in and me out before time begins, but you refuse to believe in Christ, and that means you won't get in, how is That Sovereign. it was the Will of God that none of these little ones perish, if God predestines you in, but you can prevent that from happening!!!!!!!!!!!! now I can go along with that God knew/by His foreknowledge, who would choose Christ and who would not, and By that knowledge we are elected or we are ejected, but not with calvinism, where we are totally deprived.


well I guess another question I could ask you, is If God determined before time as we know it begin who would be in and who would not, aren't the elect already saved even before they are born, so why would one have to be saved????????????

 

[Hammster]

that's what I haved been told but that is even more confusing, If God predestined you in and me out before time begins, but you refuse to believe in Christ, and that means you won't get in, how is That Sovereign. it was the Will of God that none of these little ones perish, if God predestines you in, but you can prevent that from happening!!!!!!!!!!!! now I can go along with that God knew/by His foreknowledge, who would choose Christ and who would not, and By that knowledge we are elected or we are ejected, but not with calvinism, where we are totally deprived.

This will come across worse than I intend, but that could possibly be the worst straw-man argument against Calvinism I have ever heard.

well I guess another question I could ask you, is If God determined before time as we know it begin who would be in and who would not, aren't the elect already saved even before they are born, so why would one have to be saved????????????

We are elected to salvation. Election isn't itself salvation.

 

[His_disciple3]

This will come across worse than I intend, but that could possibly be the worst straw-man argument against Calvinism I have ever heard.


We are elected to salvation. Election isn't itself salvation.

sir I believe this what you just said goes against all calvinist belief that I have ever heard, you are saying that some are elected to salvation but will not recieve that salvation, so you would be saying that even those that Christ died for could not recieve salvation/eternal life with Him????? WOW!!!!!!

see the over all problem with calvimism is that the Word of God can't mean what it says, John 3:16 can't mean the whole world, only the world of the elect, there is no conditional to the election of God. as you just described, according to a true calvinist, and if john 3:16 can't mean all then :Revelation 22:17 can't mean whosoever will
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
KJV

or Romans 10 can't mean that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved:

so see if God meant for you to be in then you will be in, Sovereignty of God would not allow anyone he choose to be in, not to be in( no matter who that might be or what they have done), but with so many other verses contrary to this doctrine some calvinist have, even John Mac, have tried to line calvinism up with the other scriptures, but this goes totally against the T.u.l.i.p. doctrine
T= total depravity
u= unconditional election,
L= limited atonement, Christ didn't die for all only the elect.
I= irresistible grace.( in you are elected you will be saved ).
P= preseverence of the saints: The doctrine asserts that since God is sovereign and his will cannot be frustrated by humans or anything else..

 

[Hammster]

sir I believe this what you just said goes against all calvinist belief that I have ever heard, you are saying that some are elected to salvation but will not recieve that salvation, so you would be saying that even those that Christ died for could not recieve salvation/eternal life with Him????? WOW!!!!!!

The wow part is how you completely screwed up what I said, and then used that as a springboard for another screed against Calvinism. So let me simplify it for you and use little words.

God's choice to save us way back when (election) is not the same thing as actually saving us (salvation). It is just His decision to save us. It isn't him actually saving us.

 

[His_disciple3]

The wow part is how you completely screwed up what I said, and then used that as a springboard for another screed against Calvinism. So let me simplify it for you and use little words.

God's choice to save us way back when (election) is not the same thing as actually saving us (salvation). It is just His decision to save us. It isn't him actually saving us.

let me see if i understand what you just said, if the Soveriegn God predetermined before time begin, that you were be in, then you are not really in until you get saved, and are you saying that even someone that is predetermined to be out, can get saved and get in?? sir that is not calvinism as I have been explained calvinism by several others that have preached calvinism, I am sure what this doctine would be called ??

 

[Hammster]

let me see if i understand what you just said, if the Soveriegn God predetermined before time begin, that you were be in, then you are not really in until you get saved, and are you saying that even someone that is predetermined to be out, can get saved and get in?? sir that is not calvinism as I have been explained calvinism by several others that have preached calvinism, I am sure what this doctine would be called ??

Okay, let me over-simplify it for you, since I still am not getting through. If you are elected before the foundation of the world, you WILL be saved. If not, you WON'T be saved.

 

[supersoldier71]

If a person is of the Elect, they will acknowledge the Lord. I think a bit of the confusion between Calvinist and others comes from this misunderstanding.

The elect are reborn, spiritually alive, no longer dead in their trespasses and sins. It is as impossible for one of the elect to reject Christ as it is for someone who has not been born again of the spirit to acknowledge Him.

Calvinistic theology does NOT mean that a person will live like a non-believer, talk like a non-believer, drink and fornicate like a non-believer etc...and then SURPRISE, that fella was one of God's own, so He gets into Heaven. What it means is that those whom God foreknew, will, upon their rebirth, begin to display the characteristics of a new creature, one who will spend the rest of their earthly lives becoming more Christ-like in a progressive process of sanctification.

 

[Hammster]

If a person is of the Elect, they will acknowledge the Lord. I think a bit of the confusion between Calvinist and others comes from this misunderstanding.

The elect are reborn, spiritually alive, no longer dead in their trespasses and sins. It is as impossible for one of the elect to reject Christ as it is for someone who has not been born again of the spirit to acknowledge Him.

Calvinistic theology does NOT mean that a person will live like a non-believer, talk like a non-believer, drink and fornicate like a non-believer etc...and then SURPRISE, that fella was one of God's own, so He gets into Heaven. What it means is that those whom God foreknew, will, upon their rebirth, begin to display the characteristics of a new creature, one who will spend the rest of their earthly lives becoming more Christ-like in a progressive process of sanctification.

 

[His_disciple3]

1 Peter 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
KJV
so the elect was elected according to His foreknowledge, His foreknowledge of what? maybe those that He knew would be sanctified of the Spirit unto obedience and sprinkling of the Blood Of Jesus Christ, so as to it was not just a random election. but He based This on prior knowledge of who would call upon His name!! maybe can you not see this here in this scripture. i know it may go against man's doctine tulip, But I can see election by His foreknowledge.

 

[supersoldier71]

1 Peter 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
KJV
so the elect was elected according to His foreknowledge, His foreknowledge of what? maybe those that He knew would be sanctified of the Spirit unto obedience and sprinkling of the Blood Of Jesus Christ, so as to it was not just a random election. but He based This on prior knowledge of who would call upon His name!! maybe can you not see this here in this scripture. i know it may go against man's doctine tulip, But I can see election by His foreknowledge.

You are on the right track here!

Romans 8:29
"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers."

So those whom He foreknew, He then directed that they would be conformed to the image of Christ. His elect are predestined to become more Christ like.

God has the entire process of Salvation in His perfect loving hands, and has had His plan for Salvation laid out and being executed since before the foundations of the universe were laid!

PRAISE GOD!

 

[Hammster]

1 Peter 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
KJV
so the elect was elected according to His foreknowledge, His foreknowledge of what? maybe those that He knew would be sanctified of the Spirit unto obedience and sprinkling of the Blood Of Jesus Christ, so as to it was not just a random election. but He based This on prior knowledge of who would call upon His name!! maybe can you not see this here in this scripture. i know it may go against man's doctine tulip, But I can see election by His foreknowledge.

You assume, because of your man-made, man-centered theology that when it says foreknowledge, it must mean foreknowledge of what man will do, and then God looks at that and then deciders to elect them. However, nowhere in scripture is that supported. You have to read that into the text. All it says is that He foreknows us. And if you understand what God means by "knowing" someone, you will understand that this has nothing to do with His omniscience, but has everything to do with His decision to love someone, or a group of people.

But if you have some evidence that it means other, then please share.

 

[His_disciple3]

The wow part is how you completely screwed up what I said, and then used that as a springboard for another screed against Calvinism. So let me simplify it for you and use little words.

God's choice to save us way back when (election) is not the same thing as actually saving us (salvation). It is just His decision to save us. It isn't him actually saving us.

trying to line it up with scriptures it just doesn't add up, if the elected will be saved, then when God chose you before time begin, then you were saved, so why the Cross, why preach, why even live righteous, why did Jesus have to even come and die and be rise, if God has predetermined you to be in and you have no power to aid to that decision? then it won't matter if you are a mass murderer or a godly priest, you can't over rule a soveriegn God. and He didn't give us free will and paul couldn't have done what He shouldn't or not do what He should, for God would have made Him do all righteous things after He had elected him so that he would be saved. peter would hade never been able to deny Christ just as you claim that Judas had to betray Him I am sorry I can see an unlimited atonemant for all far better than I could a limited atonement for a certain group. which neverf line up with scriptures. whosoever Believes shall have eternal Life!~!!!!!!!!

 

[Hammster]

trying to line it up with scriptures it just doesn't add up, if the elected will be saved, then when God chose you before time begin, then you were saved, so why the Cross,

Because the elect are sinners and God is just and sin needed to be dealt with. Why? Do you have some other reason?

why preach, why even live righteous,

Because they are commanded and we love Jesus and want to please Him. Do you have some other reasons?

why did Jesus have to even come and die and be rise,

See my answer on the Cross.

if God has predetermined you to be in and you have no power to aid to that decision? then it won't matter if you are a mass murderer or a godly priest, you can't over rule a soveriegn God. and He didn't give us free will and paul couldn't have done what He shouldn't or not do what He should, for God would have made Him do all righteous things after He had elected him so that he would be saved. peter would hade never been able to deny Christ just as you claim that Judas had to betray Him

Are you saying that if someone is predestined to be saved then they're predestined to be sinless after salvation? That isn't Calvinism, so don't imply that it is, thank you.

I am sorry I can see an unlimited atonemant for all far better than I could a limited atonement for a certain group. which neverf line up with scriptures.

So if all sins are atoned for, then why is anyone in Hell?

whosoever Believes shall have eternal Life!~!!!!!!!!

And I've never said otherwise.

 

[DeaconDean]

You assume, because of your man-made, man-centered theology that when it says foreknowledge, it must mean foreknowledge of what man will do, and then God looks at that and then deciders to elect them. However, nowhere in scripture is that supported. You have to read that into the text. All it says is that He foreknows us. And if you understand what God means by "knowing" someone, you will understand that this has nothing to do with His omniscience, but has everything to do with His decision to love someone, or a group of people.

But if you have some evidence that it means other, then please share.

Something I've always wondered is why most people overlook one teeny-tiny word.

"οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι τοῖς ἀγαπῶσιν τὸν θεὸν πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν, τοῖς κατὰ πρόθεσιν κλητοῖς οὖσιν. ὅτι οὓς προέγνω, καὶ προώρισεν συμμόρφους τῆς εἰκόνος τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ, εἰς τὸ εἶναι αὐτὸν πρωτότοκον ἐν πολλοῖς ἀδελφοῖς:" Rom. 8:28-29 (GNT)

Translated into the KJV it reads:

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

The most often overlooked word in connection with "foreknow" is "ὅτι".

In the KJV it is rendered "for". A conjunction, a conjunction serves to link together words and phrases.

Why did God "foreknow" these people, because the were "called" first.

"who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow"

God "knew" them because He called them first.

God Bless

Till all are one.