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15 Answers to Evolutionist Nonsense

Arikay

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Have you ever seen, or studied a Mudskipper?

Contrary to what the creationists tell you, Macro Evolution is basically Speciation. Once an animal Speciates, thats pretty much it, with enough time, they can evolve so far away from their original species that they can look completly different.

If you do not believe me, then maybe you can show us the mechanism that will stop a species within its "kind"
What is a "kind" anyway?
 
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Yes, Arikay, and that raises another point. The concept of no macro-evolution or "no new species" fails to explain one thing: what acts to prevent the evolutionary process from continuing so far as to create new species? The natural selection process that even AIG believes in will, given the proper time, just keep working to fit the gene pool to the environment it is in. What is the nature of the internal "brake" in the process which would prevent this ongoing evolution to halt short of speciation if that is what is necessary to survive in the changing environment?

In short, if evolution as all agree it happens is left alone, it WILL create whatever is necessary, new species or not. How, exactly, is that prevented?

And, yes, define "kind".
 
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Arikay said:
Its funny that you mention it, as some of the larger groups have dropped it, but there are still many creationist groups that seriously tell their followers that there should be a species that is half species A and half species B.
They dont say it exactly like that, it normally runs along the lines of, where is the transitional bird that has half a wing. Or the transitional land animal that has half a leg.

Its obsurd, and anyone who studied evolution would know that it doesnt work like that, but they just keep pretending it does. :D


Excellent point. The "transitional" changes happen at a genetic level, not visible. (It is SO hard to convince people of somethign scientific if they have no scioentific background, they just have a willingness to arge and close their ears to facts.) The changes are physical and chemical changes In DNA NOT on the appendages of MAMMALS!! UGHHH!These mutations persist and most likely will be inherited. Different mutations modify genes..this leaving behind the raw material for evolution. Individulas with a strong genetic code are more apt to stand up to intensities from the environment and will produce offspring better able to withstand those intensities, whether the intensities are heat, clod, extreme UV intensities, etc. Odd how earlier they mention that Black people have dark skin as a way to protect from UV with respect to their origin close to the equator, THEN turn around and deny evolution. Odd.
 
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But how do you know that it does not occur? What prevents micro-evolution from continuing on into macro-evolution? The process of natural selection you believe occurs, if left alone, would not stop at the "species" boundary, but allow for whatever degree of changes that are beneficial. So, what creates the "brake" in the process? There is nothing that has been found scientifically which would cause this limitation, and nothing that scientists can even theorize which would explain such a limitation.

Is the only reason for the limitation your belief that evolution *can not* be the explanation for any diversity of species on the planet? If so, then what part of Scripture is this concept based on? Is it possible that your interpretation could be incorrect? (or, should I say, the interpretation of the groups which have been feeding you this).

Because right now, you agree with a theory of evolution which allows for a certain type of dynamic change and there is nothing about this process which would give ANY reason to believe it would NOT continue on to develop creatures so dramatically different than their forebears as to be called new species.
 
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For your definition to work. Speciation Must occur.

The "Dog kind" contains more than one species of "Dog". These different species cant successfull breed with each other (successfully means that they could produce offspring that could then produce offspring of its own, etc).

Speciation has occured and it has been Observed occuring.
http://www.holysmoke.org/new-species.htm
Although not the best site, the Times site seems to have gone to password, and they coppied the time article.

An example.

You have two groups of animals Group A and Group B.
Group A and Group B are both Micro evolving, they have mutations and the mutations are "selected" or "deselected" etc. Both groups are able to interbreed, sharing their mutations with each other and are the same species.

For one reason or another Group B gets seperated away from Group A. They now no longer interbreed and cant share mutations but they continue to Micro Evolve. This Evolution continues, till Group B is so different from group A, that they can no longer successfully breed together.
So now, Group A and Group B can no longer share their mutations. Group B has become a new species, Species B.

Now, lets say this process happens again with Species B, and it ends up with a group in Species B, Speciating, into Species C.

Now Species A, B and C all come together in an area, competing for resources. Lets say Species A and species C are better at the competition than B. Species B could eventually Die out. Leaving species A and C. Species B existed for only a short time, however he could be considered a "transitional" between A and C. This is one of the reasons transitional Fossils are rare. "transitional" species may not stick around as long as others and not be around long enough to get many fossils.

Now, going back to our Species, lets say this continues and we are now at Species Z. Species Z is Far removed from Species A. Since it could not share its changes with Species A, it is very different from Species A. So different that it could be a different "kind" of animal.


Now, I have two questions,

1) Can you show us a mechanism that will stop the above from happening? That will stop Species Z from speciating out of its "kind?"

2) Can you provide me with the evidence I seek in this:
http://www.geocities.com/arikayx/Creationismasscience.html

It is what evidence we Should find if the Global Flood and Noahs Ark happend, No new information could be added, and animals couldnt evolve beyond their "kinds"
As a side question, can you provide me with a reason why AIG could not give me the evidence that should exist if their assumptions were true?


Dayton said:
"Kind" is a vague term for a group of animals, e.g. the dog kind (all canines), the cat kind (all felines), the deer kind (all deer, except moose). Micro-evolution (adaptation) probably does occur, but macro-evolution or speciation does not.
 
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LorentzHA said:
Since you ask-
Somewhere in the Bible Belt. Since Southwest Airlines is based in Dallas and you have such a nice photo of one of their fine planes, I am guessing Dallas or somewhere in The Dallas Metroplex or sub-burbs?? Be honest, Don't worry I will not become a Dayton groupie. ;)

Namaste,

they also have a hub at BWI, Baltimore/Washington International airport... so it's possible that the poster lives in the Mid Atlantic region as well...
 
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15 answers?? is that all? according to creationists evolution is wrong so surly you lot should be able find more than 15,
if some of it is wrong then it's ALL wrong.

Just go through it all and tick the parts you don't like and make them all wrong and because god is on your side he will make them wrong for you, it's that easy, you may have a few difficulties with the non English speaking scientist throughout the world but as long as they are not Christians it won't matter what they think will it? because they're all going to hell anyway.

I personally think creationism would make a wonderful ambassador for the USA creationism must make you all proud to be Americans.
 
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Here is the Thread where Dayton admits he is not a YEC

http://www.christianforums.com/t52784/#post965245

Originally Posted by Dayton
OK, I admit it. I was just posting here to show the stupidity of YEC. I'm really a Christian, but I was tired of all the YEC lies being spread on the net. I apologize if I got on anyone's bad side. YEC is a completely falsified theory that is not based in reality, all the evidence points to an old earth.
 
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For newbies like AV I should point out that Dayton was a troll trying post such absolute nonsense in support of creationism that even creationists would see it is nonsense. Poe's law strikes again!
The author of the post means nothing to me -- the content is what counts.

Of course, I can understand; since you guys are always accusing the [human] writers of the Holy Scriptures as being poes.
 
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Yeah, AVET... well done again... you have ressurected a thread from an admitted troll and added even less to the thread than the last time! :clap:
Even trolls can pwn.
 
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I'm going to break this down for ya'll.

Step 1.
AV resses a thread from 2003.

Step 2.
Someone reads the first post, thinks it's new, and replies with something angry and indignant.

Step 3.
AV now has something to respond to, argument ensues.

Step 4.
Same three people make same three rebuttals.

Steps 5-9.
AV has something to do while he and others go back and forth over a dead thread on a dead subject.

Step 10.
AV profits from increased post count.

See?
 
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