Lakota Creationism

[Agonaces of Susa]

"Grandfather, Great Spirit, you have been always, and before you no one has been. There is no other one to pray to but you. You yourself, everything that you see, everything has been made by you. The star nations all over the universe you have finished [created]." -- Black Elk, medicine man, Black Elk Speaks, August 1930

 

[AV1611VET]

"Grandfather, Great Spirit, you have been always, and before you no one has been. There is no other one to pray to but you. You yourself, everything that you see, everything has been made by you. The star nations all over the universe you have finished [created]." -- Black Elk, medicine man, Black Elk Speaks, August 1930

Nice try, bro; but I would say that, in the eyes of contemptuous scientists, the Indians were nothing more than ignorant, flint-age, tepee-dwelling buffalo herders.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Nice try, bro; but I would say that, in the eyes of contemptuous scientists, the Indians were nothing more than ignorant, flint-age, tepee-dwelling buffalo herders.

Cite?

 

[AV1611VET]

Cite?

Well, it's just a guess; since you guys are always referring to the Jews as ignorant, bronze-age, nomadic goat herders.

I figured you guys have a slew of adjectives for anyone who doesn't wear a white coat and embraces creationism.

 

[Nostromo]

Some of them even wear white coats.

 

[rockaction]

Nice try, bro; but I would say that, in the eyes of contemptuous scientists, the Indians were nothing more than ignorant, flint-age, tepee-dwelling buffalo herders.

Ludicrous. I'm of Native American descent, thank you very much.

Well, it's just a guess; since you guys are always referring to the Jews as ignorant, bronze-age, nomadic goat herders.

I figured you guys have a slew of adjectives for anyone who doesn't wear a white coat and embraces creationism.

I've got nothing against people who lived in ancient times. They did the best with what they had. Why should I expect people who didn't have science to believe something more factual than creationism or geocentrism or a flat earth?

You, on the other hand, I have a big problem with. Because you live in a time when knowledge is available to you, yet you scoff at the privilege of learning. It's a shame we couldn't swap you with some bright mind from the bronze age who would take advantage of the fountains of knowledge we have today.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ludicrous. I'm of Native American descent, thank you very much.

So am I, thank you very much -- (Cherokee).

You, on the other hand, I have a big problem with. Because you live in a time when knowledge is available to you, yet you scoff at the privilege of learning. It's a shame we couldn't swap you with some bright mind from the bronze age who would take advantage of the fountains of knowledge we have today.

Your intolerance is noted.

 

[rockaction]

So am I, thank you very much -- (Cherokee).

Hey, I'm Cherokee too!

Your intolerance is noted.

How is that intolerance? I'm not stopping you from wasting your privileged position in this world. And the whole "swap you out for a bright bronze age person" was a joke.

I think you Christians popularized the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" and claimed to still be tolerant. So how about this: "I think you can do whatever you want with your life, but it's a shame that you don't care about learning things about the world."

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you Christians popularized the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" and claimed to still be tolerant.

I believe it's: "Hate the sin, convert the sinner".

 

[KIYX]

Nice try, bro; but I would say that, in the eyes of contemptuous scientists, the Indians were nothing more than ignorant, flint-age, tepee-dwelling buffalo herders.

Why impose your own racism upon scientists?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Why impose your own racism upon scientists?

Scientific Racism is imposed by mainstream scientists on themselves.

According to Lakota scholars like Vine Deloria Jr., scientists impose racism on themselves.

"More important for our purposes, while not forgetting the horrors of some scientific behavior, is the impact of scientific doctrine on the status of Indians in American society. Regardless of what Indians have said concerning their origins, their migrations, their experiences with birds, animals, lands, waters, mountains, and other peoples, the scientists have maintained a stranglehold on the definitions of what respectable and reliable human experiences are. The Indian explanation is always cast aside as superstition, precluding Indians from having an acceptable status as human beings, and reducing them in the eyes of educated people to a prehuman level of ignorance. Indians must simply take whatever status they have been granted by scientists at that point at which they have become acceptable to science." -- Vine Deloria Jr., historian, 1997

"The bottom line about the information possessed by non-Western peoples is that the information becomes valid only when offered by a white scholar recognized by the academic establishment; in effect, the color of the skin guarantees scientific objectivity." -- Vine Deloria Jr., historian, 1997

"But even labeling a site as astronomical is an improvement, since it partially sidesteps the old stereotype of Indians being primitive and ignorant savages." -- Vine Deloria Jr., historian, 1997

"... even when Indian ideas are demonstrated to be correct there is the racist propensity to argue that the Indian understanding was just an ad hoc lucky guess -- which is perilously close to what now passes for scientific knowledge." -- Vine Deloria Jr., historian, 1997

According to him, it seems that, in order to be a mainstream scientist, you must first be a Darwinist racist.

Here is another blatant example of scientific racism:

"We [white people] have known about the clouds since the time of Magellan ...." -- Gurtina Besla, astrophysicist, Sep 29th 2007

 

[KIYX]

Scientific Racism is imposed by mainstream scientists on themselves.

According to Lakota scholars like Vine Deloria Jr., scientists impose racism on themselves.

"More important for our purposes, while not forgetting the horrors of some scientific behavior, is the impact of scientific doctrine on the status of Indians in American society. Regardless of what Indians have said concerning their origins, their migrations, their experiences with birds, animals, lands, waters, mountains, and other peoples, the scientists have maintained a stranglehold on the definitions of what respectable and reliable human experiences are. The Indian explanation is always cast aside as superstition, precluding Indians from having an acceptable status as human beings, and reducing them in the eyes of educated people to a prehuman level of ignorance. Indians must simply take whatever status they have been granted by scientists at that point at which they have become acceptable to science." -- Vine Deloria Jr., historian, 1997

"The bottom line about the information possessed by non-Western peoples is that the information becomes valid only when offered by a white scholar recognized by the academic establishment; in effect, the color of the skin guarantees scientific objectivity." -- Vine Deloria Jr., historian, 1997

"But even labeling a site as astronomical is an improvement, since it partially sidesteps the old stereotype of Indians being primitive and ignorant savages." -- Vine Deloria Jr., historian, 1997

"... even when Indian ideas are demonstrated to be correct there is the racist propensity to argue that the Indian understanding was just an ad hoc lucky guess -- which is perilously close to what now passes for scientific knowledge." -- Vine Deloria Jr., historian, 1997

According to him it seems that in order to be a mainstream scientists you must first be a Darwinist racist.

Here is another blatant example of scientific racism:

"We [white people] have known about the clouds since the time of Magellan ...." -- Gurtina Besla, astrophysicist, Sep 29th 2007

Calling mythology mythology isn't racism.

 

[futzman]

"Grandfather, Great Spirit, you have been always, and before you no one has been. There is no other one to pray to but you. You yourself, everything that you see, everything has been made by you. The star nations all over the universe you have finished [created]." -- Black Elk, medicine man, Black Elk Speaks, August 1930

That's actually quite beautiful, thanks for sharing. It's wrong, but beautiful nonetheless.

 

[rjw]

Well, it's just a guess; since you guys are always referring to the Jews as ignorant, bronze-age, nomadic goat herders.

Did the Jews all die out in the Bronze Age?


Regards, Roland

 

[hillard]

Well, it's just a guess; since you guys are always referring to the Jews as ignorant, bronze-age, nomadic goat herders.

What else could Jews who lived 2000 years ago be? the Romans were the smart ones,
see the Monty Python piece about 'What did the Romans ever do for us?' in the 'Life of Brian'.

 

[hillard]

Did the Jews all die out in the Bronze Age?

No only the Bronze age Jews died out.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Calling mythology mythology isn't racism.

How long did it take you to figure that out?

Mythology is truth whereas science is racist...

 

[hillard]

How long did it take you to figure that out?

Mythology is truth whereas science is racist...

Science is definitely racist because if it thinks a spade is a spade it calls it a spade.

 

[MoonLancer]

Nice try, bro; but I would say that, in the eyes of contemptuous scientists, the Indians were nothing more than ignorant, flint-age, tepee-dwelling buffalo herders.

And i bet they gave them diseased blankets too... oh wait, that was you guys.

 

[Targ]

"Science is racist" is nonsense. Scientists simply state facts.

Science will tell you that some races are more capable of resisting diseases than others. For example, it is a scientific fact that an average Caucasian Brit will be less susceptible to most of the world's diseases than a native of the Amazon jungle who has never had contact with people from the cities. This is a fact, there is no bias or prejudice in it, it is simply a statement of fact based upon observations, history and statistics. It only becomes racist if you then start saying "therefore they're inferior and if they move to the cities, they should not have access to the same level of education and health care and should pay high taxes and be sent to work in the mines." When you start saying things like this, that is when you have stepped outside of the domain of science.