Is some of the anti science movement to be blamed on scientists?

[Targ]

The geologic column is not my Bible.

This article shows that there are 25 locations where a complete geological column exists, including in parts of North Dakota, Tunisia, Turkey, Poland, Afghanistan, Australia, China, Russia, Alaska, Iran, Bulgaria, Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Oman, Canada, Mexico and Colombia. This is not something one can just deny.

 

[sfs]

The fact that people know evolution very well and are still not evolutionists demonstrates that a false claim was made.

Sure, that fact demonstrates that a false claim was made -- as I stated in my post. I was trying to figure out what fact you had offered that demonstrated a false claim was made. I was just trying to figure out what you were saying. Really not worth this back and forth.

 

[AV1611VET]

This article shows that there are 25 locations where a complete geological column exists, including in parts of North Dakota, Tunisia, Turkey, Poland, Afghanistan, Australia, China, Russia, Alaska, Iran, Bulgaria, Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Oman, Canada, Mexico and Colombia. This is not something one can just deny.

I'm not denying it, I'm denying its interpretation.

Jesus said the geologic columns would attest of Him, not against Him.

Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I'm not denying it, I'm denying its interpretation.

Your ignorance precludes you from denying anything regarding the geologic column.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your ignorance precludes you from denying anything regarding the geologic column.

2 Peter 1:16 ¶ For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

And although I wasn't an eyewitness, we have a more sure Word of prophecy -- the completed word of God.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

2 Peter 1:16 ¶ For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

And although I wasn't an eyewitness, we have a more sure Word of prophecy -- the completed word of God.

It's not complete, nor is it the word of god.

BTW, which of the four gospels is the most correct?

 

[Naraoia]

LOL, um, way to debunk yourself.

Lolwut? Oh, I see, it appears I misunderstood you. You didn't mean being derogatory to Christians as a group, because they are Christians. My bad.

Rene Descartes would disagree.

And I guess I would disagree with him. Was that an argument from authority, by the way?

Again, way to debunk yourself.

???

From the water being left on... waterline broke... neighbors pool has a leak...

Well, then all of these are reasonable explanations - though not equally likely -, right? That means you need further tests to distinguish between them. So you get outside, go to work, look around you. All the trees and roofs are dripping wet. Rain is sounding more and more likely, ain't it?

A deductive argument is valid if the conclusion does follow necessarily from the premises.

I know basic logic, thank you.

That is the problem with the many conclusions of long term evolution, it does not follow the premises.

How so?

Science is not a wholly deductive process. Deriving predictions from a hypothesis (H -> P) is deductive, and falsifying a hypothesis (~P -> ~H) follows the rules of deductive logic, but support for a hypothesis will always be inductive (since P -/-> H) and therefore uncertain. Is it logically valid to conclude that because all earthly apples we've ever seen fall towards the earth when released, some force must make them go that way? No. So when are you going to start doubting gravity? Why single out evolution?

It is more concerned with defending a philosophy then giving a rational explanation in accordance to what we know.

Citation needed.

I never said you didn't I have said many have here, AND I was being precise with you.

You said, and I quote, "Funny, I even posted the definition for you, and you still do not get it."

Since the remark was a response to something I wrote, I assumed that you meant singular "you". If you meant plural, maybe you could have clarified, but apologies for the misunderstanding.

Did I claim to be using the biological definition of the word species? No I did not.

Did I claim you were? No. That doesn't change the fact that everyone else in this thread does, and therefore if you just mention "species", that's what they'll think you mean. IOW, don't blame the others for "not getting it".

Read above

Where? "Reverse the order of reproduction" is your idea of how it could happen, not a demonstration. There's a difference...

ETA: I'm also not sure what you mean by it.

 

[Targ]

Seems that HAPM doesn't know what the word "debunked" means.

 

[Gracchus]

I'm not denying it, I'm denying its interpretation.

Jesus said the geologic columns would attest of Him, not against Him.

Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

So why don't you hold your peace? The stones are more convincing!

 

[HAPMinistries]

And a new video to expose why some of the anti-science movement is to be blamed on Scientists, because they let bias and presupposition get in their way of revealing real evidence that proves otherwise.


YouTube - The Complexity of Cells Debunks Macro Evolution

Dr Carl Baugh has copyright, and wants his videos mirrored for the spreading of the Gospel. Dino Creation Ministries does not exist.

There is a troll filing false DMCA reports. I have counter notified.

I don't think it is someone here, but in case it is...

 

[Delphiki]

Dr Carl Baugh has copyright, and wants his videos mirrored for the spreading of the Gospel. Dino Creation Ministries does not exist.

There is a troll filing false DMCA reports. I have counter notified.

I don't think it is someone here, but in case it is...

Hehe.. Hang around Youtube long enough and you'll see which side of the argument loves to file false DMCA claims. Probably the most notable example of what I'm talking about is an old user that went by the name VenomfangX.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I'm not denying it, I'm denying its interpretation.

Jesus said the geologic columns would attest of Him, not against Him.

Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

I gotta tell ya, AV -- the way you twist scripture to support your monument to yourself will never stop being comedy gold.

 

[HAPMinistries]

Hehe.. Hang around Youtube long enough and you'll see which side of the argument loves to file false DMCA claims. Probably the most notable example of what I'm talking about is an old user that went by the name VenomfangX.

Well I have never filed one, but have had 8-10 videos removed like this.

VFX was a Christian kid that atheists 'promoted' so they could make fun. VFX was popular among atheists, and GEERUP, not Christians. I know about him, saw some of his videos, but he was a kid. [That obviously was not the excuse for Geerup though...].

I personally do not care if you re-upload my videos and try to rip them apart, I believe a 'debate' needs free speech. If you keep blocking what people are saying, it is not a debate is it?

 

[HAPMinistries]

Inanimate objects do not "decide" anything. It is absurd to think so.
It was a simple question really, at what point in the geologic column do we first begin to see simple celled organisms?

My point was, geologic columns are not a reliable way to date anything. Just put different matter in a cup of water, swirl it around, and you will see the more dense go to the bottom, and lighter on top.

I certainly believe a flood happened, so that is why I said what I did.

 

[HAPMinistries]

What has Arkansas got to do with anything?

It is the heart of inbreeding in America.

Nope, no event has ever reduced the world population

Mind giving a refrence?
Because every scale I have seen shows that it was not enough to effect the world population at that time.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

My point was, geologic columns are not a reliable way to date anything. Just put different matter in a cup of water, swirl it around, and you will see the more dense go to the bottom, and lighter on top.

I certainly believe a flood happened, so that is why I said what I did.

I noticed your icon was Pentecostal. Have you seen the documentary Marjoe, by any chance? If so, what did you think?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

My point was, geologic columns are not a reliable way to date anything. Just put different matter in a cup of water, swirl it around, and you will see the more dense go to the bottom, and lighter on top.

I certainly believe a flood happened, so that is why I said what I did.

If the geologic column is not a reliable way to date something, how was it that Neil Shubin was able to find Tiktaalik?

 

[HAPMinistries]

Utterly wrong.

• The Black Death between 1347 and 1351 was responsible the deaths of one third of the population of Asia and Europe.
• European settlement of the Americas resulted in large scale depopulation of the natives. Smallpox, influenza, measles, malaria, pertussis, cholera etc (all diseases that were imported from Europe and that the natives had no immunity to), added to wars and massacres saw the native population of the Americas decline by around 90% (from around 100 million down to 10 million).

Neither of these events are factored into the televangelist's calculations.

But can you give reference that it caused the world population to decrease over that year?

Every reference I have seen shows the world population still rising, even though one part of the world decreases.

Also, if you work backwards using the constant rate of growth stated, you arrive at the situation where the total population of the world during the time of Moses would have had to have been considerably less than the few million children of Israel living at that time, which is obviously absurd. Quite simply, the calculation doesn't work.

The Israelite Nation was growing at such a huge rate that the Egyptians were killing of their children at the time of Moses. That is why Moses was found in a basket floating down the Nile.

 

[HAPMinistries]

Can I please get how they find out these probabilities? I'm rather interested.

It is Dr Carl Baugh, so maybe they can get you that information at their site:

Creation Evidence Museum Online - General Information

 

[HAPMinistries]

Sure, that fact demonstrates that a false claim was made -- as I stated in my post. I was trying to figure out what fact you had offered that demonstrated a false claim was made. I was just trying to figure out what you were saying. Really not worth this back and forth.

Ok, I am not quoting, just a basic generalization of what went down.

A comment was made that people do not trust evolution as a reliable science 'BECAUSE' [They are too dumb or too stupid to know or understand evolution.]

I said that is false.

Like saying A person is not a Christian because [They are too dumb or too stupid to know or understand the bible.]

It was exposing a fallacy, and you came in on the middle of it.