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Pope: Condoms Can Be Justified in Some Cases
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I agree with the pope... for the male prostitute, condom usage would be last on his list of sins committed, he needs to worry about.
LOL...
If you are gay- using a condom can not add to the sin.
But in no way should anyone in their right mind take this as any kind of affirmation of condom usage amongst heterosexuals.
LOL...
If you are gay- using a condom can not add to the sin.
But in no way should anyone in their right mind take this as any kind of affirmation of condom usage amongst heterosexuals.
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Just because they would be reasonable to use in obscure instances doesn't make their usage any less sinful.
The real solution to male prostitution is the abolition of prostitution as a whole, not using condoms as a means to "protect" oneself. I actually agree with Benedict on this issue and I can see where he's coming from, but I don't think his thoughts on this were particularly appropriate. (Not wrong, just inappropriate)
That's what I think.
(Although maybe I'm being a bit unreasonable with expecting prostitution to end. I know that realistically, it probably won't stop until Judgment day.)
The real solution to male prostitution is the abolition of prostitution as a whole, not using condoms as a means to "protect" oneself. I actually agree with Benedict on this issue and I can see where he's coming from, but I don't think his thoughts on this were particularly appropriate. (Not wrong, just inappropriate)
That's what I think.
(Although maybe I'm being a bit unreasonable with expecting prostitution to end. I know that realistically, it probably won't stop until Judgment day.)
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Man I feel like the Journalism fact police.
At least in this case the quotes are given from an actual book. Unfortunately the book is not released, so we can't check things that way.
It says that excerpts were given in the "Vatican Newspaper" which I am assuming means L'Osservatore Romano (since news sources go there all the time to attribute things to "the Pope" or "the Vatican.") Unfortunately, these excerpts aren't in the English Weekly Edition. The other languages vary a little, but in the ones that I can read something seem to discuss the same topics. But at the same time the print newspaper is I believe different from the online version, so who knows.
I guess we'll need to wait and see for the full remarks.
At least in this case the quotes are given from an actual book. Unfortunately the book is not released, so we can't check things that way.
It says that excerpts were given in the "Vatican Newspaper" which I am assuming means L'Osservatore Romano (since news sources go there all the time to attribute things to "the Pope" or "the Vatican.") Unfortunately, these excerpts aren't in the English Weekly Edition. The other languages vary a little, but in the ones that I can read something seem to discuss the same topics. But at the same time the print newspaper is I believe different from the online version, so who knows.
I guess we'll need to wait and see for the full remarks.
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From Reuters: Pope says condoms sometimes permissible to stop AIDS | Reuters
From Canada.com: Pope Benedict: Condoms acceptable âin certain casesâ
From The Telegraph: Pope approves use of condoms in fight against Aids - Telegraph
From the BBC: BBC News - Pope Benedict condones condom use in some cases - book
I just wanted to offer a few sources other than Yahoo.
I pray that what the Pope said is properly understood in its context, and that people do not begin jumping to the conclusion that the Holy See is suddenly condoning condom use in general, or becoming 'more liberal', or any of the other arguments I can see starting up over this. This has to be taken in context: it is about the Pope declaring that in a situation where contraception is NOT the issue at hand, making a situation that is already sinful and wrong even WORSE would be the wrong focus, and so an exception could be made in specific cases.
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LivingWordUnity
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Here's what to think of it, don't trust the media. They are almost always wrong when it comes to reporting on the Catholic faith. Remember that time when the media reported that the Catholic Church had changed her teaching on limbo? The truth was that the Church had not changed anything about the teaching. Wait for the official papal encyclical to come out, and read it directly from that.Hmmmmmmmmmm....... I don't know what to think of these comments.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm....... I don't know what to think of these comments.
Well, unless you are a gay prostitute, I don't think it is terribly germane to your life.
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I'm with you. Of course we have had experience with the media's failure when it comes to Catholic teaching. It was the media that claimed that the Vatican would say that artificial birth control was fine and dandy. (Folks were really taken in when the Vatican came out with Humanea Vitea.) And we can thank the media for all the silly experiments with the liturgy when they got the beautiful documents of Vatican II wrong.
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LivingWordUnity
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The thing the media is most consistent with is being wrong about the Catholic faith.
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LivingWordUnity
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And Fox News and MSNBC have never been wrong? Like I was saying, don't trust any of the media when it comes to anything that has to do with the Catholic faith. Let's wait for the official papal encyclical and read it directly from that before letting the media get us all spun up over what is probably nothing.
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I have a bad feeling about this, and my spirit has been heavy all evening since hearing this. If it really is as the media are making it sound, I believe the Holy Father's opinion could be very, very damaging and a thousand steps backward. HOWEVER, further investigation and what I've heard from the folks at Catholic Answers strongly suggests that this is a terrible distortion of the Holy Father's actual opinion and that he is NOT suggesting that the use of condoms is ever morally defensible.
I can't wait until Thursday to find out more.
I can't wait until Thursday to find out more.
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Yea, don't doubt the holy father. Look at it as an opportunity to catechize. Remember sin is proportional.
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IMO, the Pope is saying is that there is a glimmer of hope in the individual who under certain circumstances, are 'trying' to do the moral thing when protecting their partner of an STD. He's talking about the individual's conscience alone and not that the use of condoms itslelf under certain circumstances are morally acceptable.
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