Didn't they know?

[DarkProphet]

Assuming a depth of five miles, it rained & geysered @ the rate of about 7 feet per day for a total of five months over the entire earth the year of the Flood.

At the height of the Flood, as seen from space, the earth would have looked something like this:

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Too bad the Earth is a closed system and there is not enough water in that system to support 7 ft of rainfall everywhere (or even in one place). There is also the fact that civilizations thrived in different parts of the planet while all this was supposedly going on.

 

[Delphiki]

So let me get all of this straight by summarizing your arguments:

- The ark is larger on the inside than on the outside (to fit over 60,000 animals in at least 41,00o cubic meters)... or else some kind of evolution had to take place to account for all these species existing today (even though evolution is a lie).

- It's apparently tougher than any other structure or ship ever constructed up until WWII. We never needed anything that strong since, even though it would have come in handy during, say, in 1776.

- The flood itself consisted of more water than is even on earth (5 miles above sea level?).

- There's nowhere near enough water on earth to entirely cover earth in it's current geographical configuration, so that's why all the features of earth went smooth to accommodate the flood... Even though a global-smoothing would probably be more worth mentioning than a flood, scripture left this out for us to "logically deduce".

- Noah hired contractors to import redwood from a region that was still largely undiscovered by the people of his region. Some how transported these massive logs either through the mountains of what is now Pakistan, or maybe on a boat larger than the ark itself through the Philippines and across the Indian Ocean, or rode the logs themselves.

- Noah did this at an age that exceeds our current life span by several times.

- Today, ships that size have to be made out of titanium on order to be rigid enough to even hold together, but physics was different back then, and you could do it with wood. As long as you crowded the interior with a honeycomb pattern of massive redwood beams, and without taking away even more space inside this giant, wooden, miracle box to fit the animals, food, waste, family, secure gating to keep the animals from different regions of the world from killing each other, and one's bronze-age Game Boy (gotta bring something for the long trip).

- It's ridiculous that some TV show depicted Noah using bronze age tools to build a ship, because that would have been impossible, even though they only had bronze-age tools in the bronze age.

- This should all be taught in public schools.

Am I following so far?

 

[AV1611VET]

Too bad the Earth is a closed system and there is not enough water in that system to support 7 ft of rainfall everywhere (or even in one place).

The earth is not a closed system -- did you mean the hydrological cycle on the earth?

There is also the fact that civilizations thrived in different parts of the planet while all this was supposedly going on.

You put the 'supposedly' in the wrong half of the sentence.

Shouldn't it go after 'also'? or were you there?

 

[DarkProphet]

The earth is not a closed system -- did you mean the hydrological cycle on the earth?

That was implied, try to keep up.

You put the 'supposedly' in the wrong half of the sentence.

Shouldn't it go after 'also'? or were you there?

There are relics from those civilizations that date through that time period. If the flood happened then they would all have ended at about the same time, but they don't.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are relics from those civilizations that date through that time period.

Right -- and I'll be glad to sell you a coin dated BC 1050, if you're interested.

Only $1,000.00 (cheap).

 

[Delphiki]

Shang Dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maya civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AV1611VET]

Shang Dynasty
Maya civilizationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization

I'd say that would be a little hard, since the Shang Dynasty came from Noah's great-grandson, and the Maya civilization came from Noah's son.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I'd say that would be a little hard, since the Shang Dynasty came from Noah's great-grandson, and the Maya civilization came from Noah's son.

According to you -- and you'll understand if we prefer to get historical facts from someone who doesn't proudly "wear [their] ignorance like a badge."

 

[Split Rock]

So let me get all of this straight by summarizing your arguments:

- The ark is larger on the inside than on the outside (to fit over 60,000 animals in at least 41,00o cubic meters)... or else some kind of evolution had to take place to account for all these species existing today (even though evolution is a lie).

- It's apparently tougher than any other structure or ship ever constructed up until WWII. We never needed anything that strong since, even though it would have come in handy during, say, in 1776.

- The flood itself consisted of more water than is even on earth (5 miles above sea level?).

- There's nowhere near enough water on earth to entirely cover earth in it's current geographical configuration, so that's why all the features of earth went smooth to accommodate the flood... Even though a global-smoothing would probably be more worth mentioning than a flood, scripture left this out for us to "logically deduce".

- Noah hired contractors to import redwood from a region that was still largely undiscovered by the people of his region. Some how transported these massive logs either through the mountains of what is now Pakistan, or maybe on a boat larger than the ark itself through the Philippines and across the Indian Ocean, or rode the logs themselves.

- Noah did this at an age that exceeds our current life span by several times.

- Today, ships that size have to be made out of titanium on order to be rigid enough to even hold together, but physics was different back then, and you could do it with wood. As long as you crowded the interior with a honeycomb pattern of massive redwood beams, and without taking away even more space inside this giant, wooden, miracle box to fit the animals, food, waste, family, secure gating to keep the animals from different regions of the world from killing each other, and one's bronze-age Game Boy (gotta bring something for the long trip).

- It's ridiculous that some TV show depicted Noah using bronze age tools to build a ship, because that would have been impossible, even though they only had bronze-age tools in the bronze age.

- This should all be taught in public schools.

Am I following so far?

"So let me get this straight. You want to fly on a magic carpet, to see the King of the Potato People and plead with him for your freedom... and you're telling me your completely sane?"

 

[Split Rock]

I'd say that would be a little hard, since the Shang Dynasty came from Noah's great-grandson, and the Maya civilization came from Noah's son.

All directly from the KJV1611 Bible... or are you speculating, again? I get confused sometimes......

 

[AV1611VET]

According to you -- and you'll understand if we prefer to get historical facts from someone who doesn't proudly "wear [their] ignorance like a badge."

No -- I don't mind at all.

By the time you get your "facts", get them straight, get them railroaded through peer-review, and get them printed before the historical revisionists challenge them, your "facts" should be obsolete.

 

[AV1611VET]

All directly from the KJV1611 Bible... or are you speculating, again? I get confused sometimes......

You tell me, Split Rock.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No -- I don't mind at all.

By the time you get your "facts", get them straight, get them railroaded through peer-review, and get them printed before the historical revisionists challenge them, your "facts" should be obsolete.

So you'd prefer we get obsolete fairy tales from you, and cut out the middleman?

Sorry, you're just not that impressive.

 

[Split Rock]

You tell me, Split Rock.

Why are you throwing the question back at me? You have just recently stated that you are very specific about when you are speculating and when you are not. Just tell us if this is speculation, or the Inerrant Word of Almighty God. Is that hard?

 

[Split Rock]

No -- I don't mind at all.

By the time you get your "facts", get them straight, get them railroaded through peer-review, and get them printed before the historical revisionists challenge them, your "facts" should be obsolete.

Just like all the other "facts" that have been rendered "obsolete" that are not used for any of the following:
1. Your car
2. Your refrigerator
3. Your furnace
4. Your computer
5. The synthetic fibers in your clothing
6. The packaging for the food you buy at the supermarket
7. The growing and harvesting of the food you buy at the supermarket
8. The medicine in your bathroom cabinet
9. Your stereo
10. Your television set

etc., etc., etc.....

Yes, science is all a waste of time... unlike armchair speculation about The Flood, which is really useful for society...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Why are you throwing the question back at me? You have just recently stated that you are very specific about when you are speculating and when you are not. Just tell us if this is speculation, or the Inerrant Word of Almighty God. Is that hard?

Hoping you don't mind if I jump in here. Of course 'fleshing out' the flood story is speculation and assumption. No one said it wasn't. You should know that no sane Christian would stake their salvation on belief in the absolute certainty that the flood story is 100 per cent true. If it is a grand metaphor that's ok. If true, that's even better. At this time in my knowledge and belief I believe it to be 100 per cent true. When Christ returns he will confirm it or reeducate us. In the meantime I enjoy building reasonable scenarios that 'speculate' on how it might have transpired.

 

[Delphiki]

It's one thing to see Jesus as a teacher... but the ONLY teacher?

 

[Targ]

I'd say that would be a little hard, since the Shang Dynasty came from Noah's great-grandson, and the Maya civilization came from Noah's son.

Will you share how you arrived at this conclusion?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I'd say that would be a little hard, since the Shang Dynasty came from Noah's great-grandson.

So I guess Noah's great-grandson must have moved in and supplanted the Xia dynasty which preceded the Shang and had developed from the Longshan culture after the longshan developed from the Yangsho culture which followed the Jiahu and Peiligang cultures. I wonder how some Hebrew moving in from the Middle East managed to found a dynasty among people who had been living there developing their own culture for thousands of years.

 

[Split Rock]

Hoping you don't mind if I jump in here. Of course 'fleshing out' the flood story is speculation and assumption. No one said it wasn't. You should know that no sane Christian would stake their salvation on belief in the absolute certainty that the flood story is 100 per cent true. If it is a grand metaphor that's ok. If true, that's even better. At this time in my knowledge and belief I believe it to be 100 per cent true. When Christ returns he will confirm it or reeducate us. In the meantime I enjoy building reasonable scenarios that 'speculate' on how it might have transpired.

I appreciate that The Flood is not a salvation issue for you or for most Christians. However, for most creationist Christians it is. If the Flood is not true, then neither is the rest of The Bible, or so the logic goes. The other aspect of this is that creationists here hit us over the head with the claim that what is in reality their interpretation of scripture, is the Inerrant Word of God. As such, it cannot be wrong, regardless of any evidecne to the contrary. This may not describe your attitude, but it does many others here.