lcms and wels diffs?

[alexnbethmom]

but he did say that, PW - he has since edited his post, but he very bluntly said: i'm better at this, i'm better at that, i'm better at the other thing....

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I took this to a PM as this is a private matter between you and I. You wanna make it a public one, fine. Here we go. While what you do here is not going to affect any member's status in their own church, we have seen from this thread that you take this teaching of the WELS outside of the WELS church and apply it in your own home.

In this home is a computer which you use to log on to CF and manage those under you, namely senior moderators, and non-senior moderators. That is an exercising of authority over moderators and senior moderators, many of whom happen to be male. The Bible and the WELS teaching both plainly state that you are not to have any authority over men. In my opinion, you are at odds with what the WELS teaches, with what the Scriptures teach and with what you claim to believe and practice. Aren't you glad you took a PM public?

If you think that, you have a few options. You can either resign your trainee position, since it would go against what you believe to serve under me, or you can report me (and subsequently my husband) to our district president. I'll be happy to provide you with the right information.

So, what will it be?

 

[Zecryphon]

If you think that, you have a few options. You can either resign your trainee position, since it would go against what you believe to serve under me, or you can report me (and subsequently my husband) to our district president. I'll be happy to provide you with the right information.

So, what will it be?

Threats now? I'm not resigning. You're gonna have to find a way to work with me. I believe you're the one who is in error here, not me. I was asked to serve by Tishri1 and that's what I'm doing. I have no intention of dragging your husband into this. He has nothing to do with this. I was told repeatedly that as a mod I would take harsh criticism. I've taken it all in stride. You receive one question from me and what's your response? You disclose the contents of a private message to the entire forum and start issuing threats to me. Threats which have no meaning or value because you have no authority over me or anyone on this forum as per your previous post. Perhaps it is you who should think about resigning.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Threats now? I'm not resigning anything. You're the one who is in error here, not me. I was asked to serve. That's what I'm doing. I have no intention of dragging your husband into this. He has nothing to do with this. I was told repeatedly that as a mod I would take harsh criticism. I've taken it all in stride. You receive one question from me and you disclose the contents of private messages and start issuing threats? Perhaps you should think about resigning as you obviously can't take it.

I disclosed what I wrote in answer to your public question.

Again, either you can resign because you have a problem with me being on staff or you can report me to the DP (and you'd be reporting my husband because he has approved of me being here). Or are you in the habit of making empty accusations that you can't back up?

And you have NEVER been one to take criticism in stride.

 

[QuiltAngel]

Twin.Spin edited his post 282 to this:

Sorry for the "better than thou" overtones ... was not certianly trying appear that I was better, but apparently got too zealous to show the appreciation of the opportunities that I have been given to learn and grow in the faith.

In a PM to me, he stated that he sees how his posts have come across as arrogant.

What you did Beckie was totally twist my words to say what you think I said. The fact that someone has to post over and over how much they speak with a Pastor in the context of sounding like because they do, they know better, is what does not impress me

I have the utmost respect for Pastors and what they say and what they do. Geesh, I have lived the life for 25 years. I was there when he went to Seminary, I know the hard work they do in school.

I would think that since the discussion was between Twin.Spin and I and that we have discussed it in PM's and are okay with things now, then the whole thing should be done with. We now know better where the other is coming from.

 

[Zecryphon]

I disclosed what I wrote in answer to your public question.

Again, either you can resign because you have a problem with me being on staff or you can report me to the DP (and you'd be reporting my husband because he has approved of me being here). Or are you in the habit of making empty accusations that you can't back up?

And you have NEVER been one to take criticism in stride.

Don't make a bad situation worse. If you can justify your being on staff, fine. I don't care. I've made my opinion of your holding such a position known. I have backed up everything. I'm not going to engage in a war of words with you. Trust me, you can not win against me. The accusation I've made against you has been backed up. You are serving in a position in which you exercise authority over men on staff here. The WELS and the Scriptures both say you are to have no authority over a man. There's my back up, what's yours? Your husband? His opinion is now above the WELS and Scripture? This conversation is over. Your hypocrisy has been exposed. There is no need to continue. I'm done with you. Do not contact me about this again.

 

[QuiltAngel]

Ahm, Zec edited his post at 11:56 a.m. where he said he was taking to PM. You replied to it at 1:28 p.m PW posts about the PM's with Zec, after he asked to take the discussion to PM. It should have stayed in PM and only brought out if you both agreed.

 

[Zecryphon]

Ahm, Zec edited his post at 11:56 a.m. where he said he was taking to PM. You replied to it at 1:28 p.m PW posts about the PM's with Zec, after he asked to take the discussion to PM. It should have stayed in PM and only brought out if you both agreed.

Yep. But in Beckie's defense there could be a time difference. I'm in the Mountain time zone. I don't know where she is.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Exactly what's been sugarcoated here? From what I've read, nothing. This thread has caused some "can't we just have some peace" threads to be created. I don't see anything close to sugarcoating going on here. If people want to know why they can't take Communion at their sister's church they should be talking to the pastor of their sister's church, not us. But since YOU want this thread to continue, I've always had a question. You believe very strongly in the WELS position on this matter, it extends beyond the church and into your home. So tell me this, how do you reconcile your strong belief in the WELS explanation of the Biblical doctrine of a woman not not exercising any authority over a man, with your position on staff in CF, which gives you a lot of authority over the men on this forum?

this was the question that he asked, and then said I was dodging.

Since he felt I was dodging it, I gave the answer here that I gave him in the PM.

He claims that I am a hypocrite, yet refuses to actually take action against me for being in a position that he feels goes against the WELS teaching. He has a DUTY to either resign from serving under me or to report me to the DP. He has said he will do neither. He would rather sit here and call me a hypocrite and then tell me not to address him anymore.

I'll let him think he's won this. I think he needs that affirmation more than I do.

 

[QuiltAngel]

Yep. But in Beckie's defense there could be a time difference. I'm in the Mountain time zone. I don't know where she is.

Pssst, Zec. I have the page set to CDT, so the times are all converted to CDT on my page. I know that Beckie is in the Central Time Zone too.

 

[seajoy]

I'll let him think he's won this. I think he needs that affirmation more than I do.

Like I said - this thread is horrible.

 

[twin.spin]

If I may .....

I could see that the way I phrased things in later posts that the topic was becoming more about me and my appearence of the overtone of "better than thou" for what ever conclusion that was being drawn from the sometime over zealous appreciation of the education of men who I'm benefiting from.

Being that this writer can be at times a lunk head, I have no doubt that any pastor who has been privileged to only be an aquaintance via conversation must with a big sigh of relief comfort himself that I'm not a member of his congregation.

But to be fair to the OP, I thought also to change the post that culminated in the hard feelings because the differences between LCMS and WELS isn't because of my graditude of pastors that I have come to learn from and respect. I forget that in a WELS \ LCMS thread that many can claim "connections" also.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Your humility is noted and appreciated. May I strive to be more like that.

If I may .....

I could see that the way I phrased things in later posts that the topic was becoming more about me and my appearence of the overtone of "better than thou" for what ever conclusion that was being drawn from the sometime over zealous appreciation of the education of men who I'm benefiting from.

Being that this writer can be at times a lunk head, I have no doubt that any pastor who has been privileged to only be an aquaintance via conversation must with a big sigh of relief comfort himself that I'm not a member of his congregation.

But to be fair to the OP, I thought also to change the post that culminated in the hard feelings because the differences between LCMS and WELS isn't because of my graditude of pastors that I have come to learn from and respect. I forget that in a WELS \ LCMS thread that many can claim "connections" also.

 

[QuiltAngel]

Twin,
I am sure that most Pastors would love to have a congregation of people like you. I know one who would love to have a congregation full of inquisitive minds. Sadly, that is not the way it is in the real world. Online here, many of the members are fairly well versed on the Bible and doctrine. Probably the main reason why we can get into such heated discussions here.

Another thing about online conversations, we don't have the facial expressions and the tone of voice to help determine how to take something that someone has written. I am guilty of misinterpreting such things and I know I have on this thread. I know that there are some of us who have not had a good week and that can also cloud how we interpret things.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Twin,
I am sure that most Pastors would love to have a congregation of people like you. I know one who would love to have a congregation full of inquisitive minds. Sadly, that is not the way it is in the real world. Online here, many of the members are fairly well versed on the Bible and doctrine. Probably the main reason why we can get into such heated discussions here.

Another thing about online conversations, we don't have the facial expressions and the tone of voice to help determine how to take something that someone has written. I am guilty of misinterpreting such things and I know I have on this thread. I know that there are some of us who have not had a good week and that can also cloud how we interpret things.

Well, we do have smilies to help.

We all have our shortcomings. I do get very defensive about what I believe, but no one should ever take that defensiveness as a personal slight. I love all of you, whether your WELS, LCMS or ELCA or whatever. I really am sorry that I made anybody feel bad or unwanted. Totally not my intention.



See, great smiley!

 

[Jim47]

I think everyone here needs to take a cooling off break. There has been nothing wrong with conversation in this thread, up until the last couple pages which are nothing but petty bickering.

Twin Spin said nothing wrong in his posts, origional or modified. You all need to remember that is this world we are first sinners, and second that there will be disagreemenst in doctrine and practices. There is nothing wrong with that or with discussing it. That is the main purpose of what this board serves. The so called fellowship alone by itself would not attract more then 4-5 people to come back here.

If you can't stop this petty bickering then unsubscribe to it.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

...If you can't stop this petty bickering then unsubscribe to it.

I think you mean PRETTY bickering, because you know Quilty, Seajoy and I are all gorgeous girls...

 

[Jim47]

I think you mean PRETTY bickering, because you know Quilty, Seajoy and I are all gorgeous girls...

Pretty, ugly or just plain silly. It isn't contributing to anything


I would name names but I thibnk that would fly over like a lead balloon

I'm not at all against this thread. Perhaps it will even help to change some people's minds, but I doubt I am one of them

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Pretty, ugly or just plain silly. It isn't contributing to anything


I would name names but I thibnk that would fly over like a lead balloon

I'm not at all against this thread. Perhaps it will even help to change some people's minds, but I doubt I am one of them

we Lutherans are known for our stubbornness!!

 

[QuiltAngel]

we Lutherans are known for our stubbornness!!

What she said

Oh, and I think we have our differences worked out here too. Sometimes it takes time and some not so nice things to get to that point.