Can Christianity survive without the Pope?

[sunlover1]

I always kind of crack a giggle when I see these Evangelica'sl attempting to embrace Othrodox members in this " Yeah Yeah we may not agree on everything but we both can't stand the Catholic Church and we bond together in our mutal dislike of the Catholic Church"

yet most if not all Ortodox think Evangelicals have fallen further down the heretical and are worse than the Catholics with th Sola Scriputura, utter lack of respect for Mary, symbolic only view of the Euchaist and Baptism etc.

always makes me giggle.

 

[Montalban]

I always kind of crack a giggle when I see these Evangelica'sl attempting to embrace Othrodox members in this " Yeah Yeah we may not agree on everything but we both can't stand the Catholic Church and we bond together in our mutal dislike of the Catholic Church" You know the old saying " A friend of the enemy is a friend of mine" type of mind set.

yet most if not all Ortodox think Evangelicals have fallen further down the heretical rabbit hole and are worse than the Catholics with their Sola Scriputura, utter lack of respect for Mary, symbolic only view of the Euchaist and Baptism etc. persoanl interpretation of scripture, Faith Alone, on and on.

always makes me giggle.

I'm Orthodox. I agree more with Catholicism on some issues, but with Protestants on others.

Of course, I could just disagree with everyone all the time as you seem to prefer

 

[boswd]

I'm Orthodox. I agree more with Catholicism on some issues, but with Protestants on others.

Of course, I could just disagree with everyone all the time as you seem to prefer

this wasn't a dig on you, Just a general observation I see around here with Evangelicals. Alot really do have this ' an enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine" type of mindset

 

[Montalban]

this wasn't a dig on you, Just a general observation I see around here with Evangelicals. Alot really do have this ' an enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine" type of mindset

I didn't see it as a dig on me. The only reason I used first person was to speak for my own beliefs on this. Though of course you may have experience with Orthodox who do confirm you beliefs.

 

[RibI]

Greetings. I see the peter and pope threads are being discussed ad-nauseam again so I would like to make a simple poll for ALL denominations to answer. I am not talking about if he was simply a Bishop of Rome and only for that city but a Grand Pope of all Christianity.

So this poll is quite simple "CAN CHRISTIANITY SURVIVE TODAY WITHOUT THE POPE/PAPACY OF ROME"

Christianity can not only survive without a Pope, it has done one better than that, it has survived there being a Pope.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I always kind of crack a giggle when I see these Evangelica'sl attempting to embrace Othrodox members in this " Yeah Yeah we may not agree on everything but we both can't stand the Catholic Church and we bond together in our mutal dislike of the Catholic Church" You know the old saying " an enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine" type of mind set.

yet most if not all Ortodox think Evangelicals have fallen further down the heretical rabbit hole and are worse than the Catholics with their Sola Scriputura, utter lack of respect for Mary, symbolic only view of the Euchaist and Baptism etc. persoanl interpretation of scripture, Faith Alone, on and on.

always makes me giggle.

I could have stated that I have yet to see a decent argument for Eastern Orthodoxy, which, although true, begs the question as to how many arguments for Eastern Orthodoxy I have heard. Of those that I have heard, none have convinced me, but I have hardly had the opportunity to examine nearly as many as I have heard put forward for Catholicism.

The fact of the matter here at CF is that, in general (and I emphasize - in general) I have found Catholics to be much more intransigent and dogmatic than the Orthodox. There are exceptions in both cases. For example, I find Catholics such as Rhamiel to be quite gracious. Thus, it is not difficult for one to find oneself on the defensive with Catholics but not so with the Orthodox.

As for myself, you can determine my motives as you wish, but until you see my faith icon as Orthodox please be assured that I am contending with my Orthodox brethren for the orthodox faith which we hold in common even as I will contend with my Catholic brethren for the catholic faith we hold in common, but nothing more.

 

[Rhamiel]

I always kind of crack a giggle when I see these Evangelica'sl attempting to embrace Othrodox members in this " Yeah Yeah we may not agree on everything but we both can't stand the Catholic Church and we bond together in our mutal dislike of the Catholic Church" You know the old saying " an enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine" type of mind set.

yet most if not all Ortodox think Evangelicals have fallen further down the heretical rabbit hole and are worse than the Catholics with their Sola Scriputura, utter lack of respect for Mary, symbolic only view of the Euchaist and Baptism etc. persoanl interpretation of scripture, Faith Alone, on and on.

always makes me giggle.

I am just surprised that Evangelicals can get past stuff like the use of icons, baptism of infants, closed communion, celibate bishops, monks and nuns, what is called "replacement theology" (i hate this term), the views on the Sacrements, prayer to saints and all the other wonderful traditions that the EO have

 

[Secundulus]

I am just surprised that Evangelicals can get past stuff like the use of icons, baptism of infants, closed communion, celibate bishops, monks and nuns, what is called "replacement theology" (i hate this term), the views on the Sacrements, prayer to saints and all the other wonderful traditions that the EO have

Hating Rome trumps all.

 

[Rhamiel]

Christianity can not only survive without a Pope, it has done one better than that, it has survived there being a Pope.

this reminds me of a story
during the napoleonic wars, a servant ran into a meeting between the Popes and the Bishops giving news that Napoleon has said he will destory the Catholic Church and some of the Bishops start to worry
then Cardinal Consalvi spoke up saying "He will never succeed, we have not managed to do it ourselves!"

 

[boswd]

I am just surprised that Evangelicals can get past stuff like the use of icons, baptism of infants, closed communion, celibate bishops, monks and nuns, what is called "replacement theology" (i hate this term), the views on the Sacrements, prayer to saints and all the other wonderful traditions that the EO have

double standards on GT? Noooo say it aint so!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

double standards on GT? Noooo say it aint so!

Would make for a good poll thread

I am still scratching my head concerning this thread on Peter I created on the GT board got moved over to the "Denomination-specific Theology board

http://www.christianforums.com/t6958045-5/#post51146994
Does the Roman Church focus on Peter too much [Thread moved]

 

[Christownsme]

Sure, it could survive without the Pope. The early church thrived thru generations before the Pope was around. The Holy Spirit, whose power and existence is separate from the Pope, gives life and continuance to the church. Jesus' body is the church. You can argue that the 'hand needs the eye and the eye needs the foot', etc. I'm saying that if something happened to the Pope and future Popes, Jesus' body will regenerate and give the global church what it needs thru others.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sure, it could survive without the Pope. The early church thrived thru generations before the Pope was around. The Holy Spirit, whose power and existence is separate from the Pope, gives life and continuance to the church. Jesus' body is the church. You can argue that the 'hand needs the eye and the eye needs the foot', etc. I'm saying that if something happened to the Pope and future Popes, Jesus' body will regenerate and give the global church what it needs thru others.

How bouts 1 lung needing the other lung to survive

http://www.christianforums.com/t7490477/
Question on "2 Lungs" of the Church

 

[Montalban]

Hating Rome trumps all.

You've moved the discussion from 'rational' to 'irrational'.

If you want to dismiss all counter-points simply by "Oh, you just hate us", then you're probably doing Catholic apologetics a massive injustice too!

 

[Secundulus]

You've moved the discussion from 'rational' to 'irrational'.

If you want to dismiss all counter-points simply by "Oh, you just hate us", then you're probably doing Catholic apologetics a massive injustice too!

Here is the argument to end all arguments. Catholics agree with the Pope, everybody else disagrees.

There, saved us another 100 pages of meaningless dialogue.

 

[Montalban]

Here is the argument to end all arguments. Catholics agree with the Pope, everybody else disagrees.

There, saved us another 100 pages of meaningless dialogue.

The Pope has regular 'meaningless dialogues' with the Protestant and Orthodox Churches then!

But if you want to give bad examples for Catholic apologetics, that's entirely up to you

 

[Secundulus]

The Pope has regular 'meaningless dialogues' with the Protestant and Orthodox Churches then!

But if you want to give bad examples for Catholic apologetics, that's entirely up to you

We are on page 96. The arguments have already been made. Those that accept them accept them and those that reject them reject them.

What is the point of restating them over and over to the point people lose patience and post stuff they later regret.

At least let it rest for a week or two and maybe somebody new will show up.

 

[Montalban]

We are on page 96. The arguments have already been made. Those that accept them accept them and those that reject them reject them.

Yes, I agree with you the Pope's engaged in meaningless activity

However the majority of Catholic 'discussion' revolves around recourse to posting quote-mines and then responding (if at all) with other quote-mines

 

[Secundulus]

Yes, I agree with you the Pope's engaged in meaningless activity

However the majority of Catholic 'discussion' revolves around recourse to posting quote-mines and then responding (if at all) with other quote-mines

Ok

 

[Montalban]

I personally love the "Peter is more important because of the number of times he's mentioned" argument