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When Will Christ Return?

What year range do you believe Jesus Christ will return in?

  • 2010 - 2020

  • 2020 - 2030

  • 2030 - 2040

  • Beyond 2040

  • I don't know


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So, what year range do you think Jesus Christ will return? Vote in the poll and then post your reason for your vote.

I think Christ will return in the 2030s for several reasons:

1) The 2030s will be exactly 2000 years after Christ left. God has a thing with numbers, and Christ has a 1000 year reign. It could be that Jesus Christ returns 2000 years after he ascended into heaven.

2) The timing is simply not right at this moment. We need a one world government before anything in the book of Revelation can begin happening, and it is going to take some time to set up a one world government (many legal hurdles, etc.). As soon as the one world government is in place the antichrist will appear. I think this will begin in the mid-to-late 2020s.

The great tribulation that began with the desolation of Israel will be cut short for the sake of the elect of Israel, who are sealed and protected on earth during the beginning of the Day of the Lord. This great tribulation we've been in since Christ left will be cut short because of a massive Northern army invasion of Israel at the time of the 6th seal (Joel 2).

God has a plan for the sealed of Israel (found in Revelation 7) that He intends to protect and feed for the duration of the devil's 42 months. He is not going to let those whom He has plans for be destroyed by the devil's flood (armies).

You should account for that "cutting short" of the tribulation that immediately leads to the Day of the Lord.
 
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Sorry, but what you have just posted is simply conjecture. The "abomination of desolation" is by no means the armies of Titus. Mt. 24 and Lu. 21 are describing two different things.

In addition, I have already given the reasons to believe that the "days being shortened" actually refers to the literal shortening of a 24 hr day (see Rev. 8:12).
 
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The "abomination of desolation" is by no means the armies of Titus.

The AOD preceded the destruction of the temple.
The olivet discourse was birthed when the disciples asked the question--when will the temple fall.

Mt. 24 and Lu. 21 are describing two different things.

No way. They are answering the same questions. Its the same conversation of Jesus that both Gospel writers are refering to....when he left the temple complex for the last time.
 
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No, the entire discussion was in response to "what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the world?". See Mt. 24:3.

In addition, Luke 21 and Mt. 24 are describing two separate things - they simply omit part of each other's conversation. Luke gives an account where Christ gives a description of the fall of the temple in 70 AD, Matthew omits it. Matthew adds the abomination of desolation which Luke omits. Dan. 9:26-27 proves, beyond any shadow of any doubt, that the abomination of desolation will be placed after the destruction of the city and the temple. This conclusively proves that the events of 70 AD were not the abomination of desolation.
 
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No, the entire discussion was in response to "what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the world?". See Mt. 24:3.

In addition, Luke 21 and Mt. 24 are describing two separate things - they simply omit part of each other's conversation. Luke gives an account where Christ gives a description of the fall of the temple in 70 AD, Matthew omits it. Matthew adds the abomination of desolation which Luke omits. Dan. 9:26-27 proves, beyond any shadow of any doubt, that the abomination of desolation will be placed after the destruction of the city and the temple. This conclusively proves that the events of 70 AD were not the abomination of desolation.
Amen brother!
Daniel was ordered to be sealed until the end. As far as I can tell the end is not yet happened, unless this is the Kingdom of the Lord:D which shall never be broken.:D(still laughing).
 
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Daniel was ordered to be sealed until the end. As far as I can tell the end is not yet happened, unless this is the Kingdom of the Lord
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which shall never be broken.
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(still laughing).
Hmm ...

NHE: "Lord, is prophecy sealed until after your Kingdom comes?"

I'll let you know as soon as he gives me an answer for you on that.

ANSWER:
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
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But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Looks to me like the "seven thunders" are sealed until the seventh trumpet. At least that's the only direct reference to anything being "sealed".

It's also interesting that the "seven thunders" all happen during the time of the seventh trumpet.
 
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The seven thunders is a very interesting topic. However, it seems they are uttered before the 7th trumpet, not during. Perhaps a thread should be started to discuss the seven thunders. I think that the seven thunders are the voice of God (see the seven voices in Psalm 29. But what are they saying? Obviously something important, but we can't hear it.

Perhaps the message of the seven thunders (seven voices of God) is hidden somewhere deep within the Bible, but I have not found it.
 
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Tis very revealing the 24 posters who voted for the return of Jesus happening within the next 10 years. :D :p

Indeed :) This is why I always make my votes public so everyone can see who voted for what. It's the only way to go.
 
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No, the entire discussion was in response to "what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the world?". See Mt. 24:3..


No sir, it was definately about the temple.Start at Matt 1. :)

Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.
2 And He said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down."
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
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Luke gives an account where Christ gives a description of the fall of the temple in 70 AD, Matthew omits it. Matthew adds the abomination of desolation which Luke omits


Both are described the same way


Luke 21

And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said,
6 "As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down."
7 They questioned Him, saying, "Teacher, when therefore will these things happen? And what will be the sign when these things are about to take place?"


Luke 21

"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
21 "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;
22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.
23 "Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people;



Matt 24
"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
17 "Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.
18 "Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak.
19 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
20 "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.


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Tis very revealing the 24 posters who voted for the return of Jesus happening within the next 10 years. :D :p
Noone knows the day or hour, but we might suspect His coming around the first quarter of 2020. This is of course a posttrib view.

A similar pretrib view using the similar data and the restoration of Jerusalem, would be last quarter of 2012, early 2013.

But let us not limit our Lord. He might come before I enter this post. HalleluJAH!:clap:
 
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No sir, it was definately about the temple.Start at Matt 1. :)

No, it is not. There is a mixture of both accounts, found in Matthew and Luke (and also Mark). There are various omissions between Matthew and Luke. In Luke we find a description of the temple, which is omitted by Matthew, and in Matthew we find different descriptions omitted by Luke. That's all that it is.

Both are described the same way

Luke 21

"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
21 "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;
22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.
23 "Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people;

Matt 24
"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
17 "Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.
18 "Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak.
19 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
20 "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.

You are connecting the words "desolation" here for only circumstantial reasons. Christ warns his disciples to flee both in the event of the city being surrounded by [Roman] armies (because the destruction of the temple is nigh) and when the abomination of desolation is seen in the temple (see Dan. 9:27). These are two different events, but because they are omitted by one author and produced by another author you are blending them together.

However, if you read closely you notice marked differences between the two descriptions that prove they cannot be one and the same. For example:

"19For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be." Mk. 13:19

We could hardly honestly say that the affliction caused during the sacking of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple was greater affliction than anything else in human history. The Holocaust, for example, was far greater affliction than what happened to Jerusalem and the Israelites in 70 A.D. This proves that Jesus Christ cannot be talking about the events of 70 A.D. - rather, he is talking about the great tribulation. And this is also shown in Matthew:

"21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Mt. 24:21

Again, if Christ is referring to 70 A.D. here then he is a liar, because the affliction of those events in no way surpassed that of the Holocaust during WWII, and other atrocities during WWII. Christ is referring to the great tribulation described in Revelation, and that is a truth.

So, bottom line: There are two different descriptions being given - you are being warned to flee in the event of the [Roman] armies compassing Jerusalem, and you are being warned to flee in the event of the abomination of desolation in the temple. Both will cause affliction, but the abomination of desolation event will cause the greatest affliction ever, the period known as the great tribulation.



Noone knows the day or hour, but we might suspect His coming around the first quarter of 2020. This is of course a posttrib view.

A similar pretrib view using the similar data and the restoration of Jerusalem, would be last quarter of 2012, early 2013.

But let us not limit our Lord. He might come before I enter this post. HalleluJAH!:clap:

Well, I would say that certain events have to be fulfilled before Jesus Christ can return. Obviously the entire book of Revelation has to be fulfilled, OT prophecies [Isa. 17, etc.] have to be fulfilled, and so forth. But I was thinking about this, and I have another idea about the time when Jesus Christ comes:

"47Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away." Mt. 13:47-48

I believe that this is a very telling verse. The sea is, of course, the human race, the fish are those who profess themselves Christians. But notice what Jesus Christ says: When it was full, they drew it to land, and sat down, etc. I think that the reference to the net being full is a reference to every single person who will obey the gospel having obeyed it - that is, everyone who has ever been saved has been saved.

In other words, God will wait until there is literally no-one left following the real gospel of Jesus Christ, and then he will destroy the world. I think there is more evidence for this:

"3And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne." Rev. 8:3

Notice what it says - the prayers of ALL saints. This, in my estimation, also means that everyone who has ever obeyed the gospel has already obeyed it. There is also another verse:

"7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready." Rev. 19:7

This is right at the return of Jesus Christ, and shows, again, that there is no-one left to be saved.

So, essentially, the reason why Jesus Christ has not yet returned is because there are more people to be saved. See that 2 Pet. 3 verse I quoted in an earlier post. Also, Christ tells his disciples that they are the "salt of the earth." Salt is a preservitave. It is my opinion that Christ is making a reference here to his disciples being the ones who preserve the earth from destruction.
 
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Hello friends,
If you will allow, may I interject a verse that I try to keep in mind regarding the Lord's return.
"Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming." Matthew 24:42 (NASB)

The words of the Savior Himself admonishes us to be watchful and on the alert for at least two reasons as I see it, first because the certainty of His return is absolute.

Then also because we should stand ready at all times since we do not know when He will return.

I pray that we all could agree that He is coming back and that no man knows the day or the hour of His return according to the Book. That being said, I say no matter what your viewpoint is concerning the timing of His return is, if we want to stay within the guidelines of the Word, we should adhere to, believe and follow the words of Matthew 24:42.

Until He comes,
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Nonetheless, the Scriptures must be fulfilled before Jesus Christ can return (Rev., Isa. 17, etc.). Therefore, we must have a global world government, the mark of the beast, the destruction of Damascus, the drying of the Euphrates, etc. This destroys the doctrine of imminency.
 
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Nonetheless, the Scriptures must be fulfilled before Jesus Christ can return (Rev., Isa. 17, etc.). Therefore, we must have a global world government, the mark of the beast, the destruction of Damascus, the drying of the Euphrates, etc. This destroys the doctrine of imminency.
Yeah, but ...

A highly credible case can be made for being up to the sixth trumpet now ...

YouTube - The Book of Revelation Is Happening NOW! You Must See This! The 7 Trumpets Are Blowing!
 
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Nighthawk -

Your YouTube link is not working. Anyways, I see no evidence for the idea that we are at the sixth trumpet now. Have 1/3 of the sea creatures died? Has 1/3 of the ocean turned into blood? None of the previous trumpets have happened in any verifiable way. Note that anyone can take various historical events and make them fit the trumpets, but there really isn't a solid reason for interpreting them 100% metaphorically.

Therefore, when John says that 1/3 of the sea creatures die, the best interpretation is to take it to be just that. That has not happened yet, so we cannot be in the sixth trumpet.
 
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Nighthawk -

Your YouTube link is not working. Anyways, I see no evidence for the idea that we are at the sixth trumpet now. Have 1/3 of the sea creatures died? Has 1/3 of the ocean turned into blood? None of the previous trumpets have happened in any verifiable way. Note that anyone can take various historical events and make them fit the trumpets, but there really isn't a solid reason for interpreting them 100% metaphorically.

Therefore, when John says that 1/3 of the sea creatures die, the best interpretation is to take it to be just that. That has not happened yet, so we cannot be in the sixth trumpet.
How would anybody know if 1/3 of the sea creatures have died? Do we have a count on them? If so what's the total?
 
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