Dragons87
The regal Oriental kind; not evil princess-napper
No, there's quite a bit of meaning to all this nature stuff. There's a reason that cats can see in the dark, why dogs howl, why an elephant flaps it's ears, and why a zebra has stripes. I think you're stuck in philosophy mode. Engineers look at it all and say "hey, that works, we should make stuff like that (but better)"
But don't you agree that any meaning an atheist injects into nature is artificial? Yes, engineers can look at nature and say "hey that works. Let's make stuff", but ultimately nature doesn't exist for engineers to study it. So outside of people giving it meaning, what is nature ultimately for?
Are you unsure that humans are social creatures, or that individuals benefit from good things happening to their neighbor?
If it's the first, uh, just look around you. We form societies. Some people are jerks and try to break it down, but people living out in the woods by themselves is a rarity.
It it's the latter, life isn't a zero-sum game. If your neighbor wins the lotto, maybe he'll buy you a round. Or he'll waste it all on hookers an blow, but at least then the hookers might buy you a round.
I meant the latter. Sorry.
But when you say life isn't a zero-sum game, do you really mean life doesn't have to be a zero-sum game? Do you read the news? Life can be a pretty unbalanced game.
Well, ultimately, maybe. But it's the journey that counts, not the destination.
Well, saying that "it's the journey that counts, not the destination" is a perspective. I could equally say "both the journey and destination count" (which is my belief). Your statement is moot unless you explain it further.
Speaking of which, so you die, you get judged, and then you go to heaven and be happy forever...
Then what?
What's the purpose of heaven? Ultimately, what's there to do? Eternal euphoria probably gets old after a while.
It's hard to say for sure what eternity in heaven actually consists of, so I present my beliefs.
Eternity is not so much "endless time", in which we stay in heaven for 100 years, and then 100 more years, and then another 100 years and on and on...No. Eternity is "timelessness". There will be no days, no months, no years. There will be no past, no future, only the present. There isn't even "ultimate".
Thinking about it, God has given us so much to do and so much to enjoy even in a world limited by time. I don't think spending "time" with him in eternity can be any worse.
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