20 arguments for the existence of God

[ToHoldNothing]

No one claimed the FSM was intangible, only invisible. There is a difference between the two terms as even Antony Flew demonstrates in his example of the garden in the middle of the jungle

 

[KIYX]

My God? I'm not proving my God yet.

Sure it has arguments for the existence of God. Not mine though. As I pointed out those were Catholic Apologists. I'm a Messianic Jew.

Right so what your saying is those were the arguments of chrisitans, and that your a christian.


I begin to see your problems.

 

[hamashiachagape]

No one claimed the FSM was intangible, only invisible. There is a difference between the two terms as even Antony Flew demonstrates in his example of the garden in the middle of the jungle

Thats fine, but I disagree with Flew's understanding of God too.

 

[ToHoldNothing]

I'm not a Fideist though.

It might be getting old, but its still nonetheless true.

I never claimed you were a fideist, which you don't have to capitalize, similar to atheism

Arguments by authority are logically fallacious and you would know that if you had even moderately studied logical argumentation.

 

[hamashiachagape]

Right so what your saying is those were the arguments of chrisitans, and that your a christian.


I begin to see your problems.

I am a Christian?

 

[hamashiachagape]

I never claimed you were a fideist, which you don't have to capitalize, similar to atheism

Arguments by authority are logically fallacious and you would know that if you had even moderately studied logical argumentation.

You are utilizing your authority here, so I guess thats logically fallacious.

 

[ToHoldNothing]

Thats fine, but I disagree with Flew's understanding of God too.

You keep derailing this on purpose it seems. No one was asking you to agree with Flew's understanding of God because no one ever brought it up.

 

[KIYX]

Either way. Intangible means it has not the propencity to be touched and spaghetti does.

Using your logic then your god cannot possibly be my "Father". As my father is very tangible and able to be touched.

 

[ToHoldNothing]

You are utilizing your authority here, so I guess thats logically fallacious.

I never claimed my authority and even if I had authority I never argued that it made my argument valid, so you're doubly mistaken in this subdiscussion already

 

[hamashiachagape]

In truth, people often misunderstand the argument by authority fallacy.

If the authority in question is irrelevant to the topic at hand, it is not advisable to utilize him, as it could be fallacious in its content.

 

[KIYX]

I am a Christian?

Do you believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior?

 

[hamashiachagape]

Using your logic then your god cannot possibly be my "Father". As my father is very tangible and able to be touched.

Thats an ANE understanding that eludes you. That in the sense of an Ancient Near East role of God, not a literal physical in form and substance father.

 

[hamashiachagape]

Do you believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior?

He is not Lord of lords yet.

 

[hamashiachagape]

I never claimed my authority and even if I had authority I never argued that it made my argument valid, so you're doubly mistaken in this subdiscussion already

Its implicit in your claim. By utilizing your logic, logic can not proceed anywhere. Its the fault of your reasoning that your claim is self stultifying.

 

[ToHoldNothing]

When all other positions besides God are not true, it is NOT ad hoc special pleading. It is true by default. You don't follow the reasoning.

Your assumption that every other position besides "God" is not true is demonstrably mistaken since there are myriad definitions of that term itself, so you are making a claim that multiple contradicting positions are all true at the same time it would appear.

Few things are true by default except when they are self evident to any general observer with little intervention required. And "God" is not one of those things

 

[ToHoldNothing]

Its implicit in your claim. By utilizing your logic, logic can not proceed anywhere. Its the fault of your reasoning that your claim is self stultifying.

You're deriving something I did not intend. I never made a claim of ownership of the logic I used, it is something outside of my ownership as I'm sharing the use of logic with others on this board in discussion.

 

[KIYX]

Thats an ANE understanding that eludes you. That in the sense of an Ancient Near East role of God, not a literal physical in form and substance father.

Hahaha.

No, I'm sorry I understand exactly what I'm talking about.

You seem to want to move the goal posts.

FSM can't be god because you can touch spaghetti.

And yet my inability to touch what christians want to call my "Father" somehow doesn't mean that your god doesn't exist.

Hilarious.

 

[hamashiachagape]

Your assumption that every other position besides "God" is not true is demonstrably mistaken since there are myriad definitions of that term itself, so you are making a claim that multiple contradicting positions are all true at the same time it would appear.

Few things are true by default except when they are self evident to any general observer with little intervention required. And "God" is not one of those things

Thats elephant hurl. Josh McDowell does an effective job of demonstrating the refutation of Skepticism, Agnosticism and Mysticism in his book "The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict."

Included in this discussion is Zen Buddhism.

 

[hamashiachagape]

Hahaha.

No, I'm sorry I understand exactly what I'm talking about.

You seem to want to move the goal posts.

FSM can't be god because you can touch spaghetti.

And yet my inability to touch what christians want to call my "Father" somehow doesn't mean that your god doesn't exist.

Hilarious.

You do? Tell me about Ancient Near East culture.

Atheism is a Greek Philosophy. Evidenced by the word.

 

[KIYX]

He is not Lord of lords yet.

So yes you do believe in Jesus Christ and then yes you are a christian.